Folks,

Can I respectfully suggest Once we have the software platform and the 
distribution mechanisms in place all that remains is imagination. I have 
dozens, if not hundreds of ideas for apps and solutions.

Quinoid and Tiddloid are great "wrappers" of tiddlywiki, but they list one 
or more wikis and they need a wiki installed. This is perfect for 
TiddlyWiki enthusiasts. It is not what we want for application deployment 
everytime. Mobiles apps often fit a defined need, this need should be 
reflected in the name/icon so it is simple to click when needed. A way to 
package a single wiki (Progressive Wed app is one way), users do not need 
to know the back story, they need to know what it does, but this will be 
acknowledged in the apps.

I think the current lack of applicability of mobile apps to desktop apps 
and visa versa is not due to a lack of user need but a lack of imagination 
or capabilities of the app developers. who would not like to capture ideas 
for their book on their phone then write a chapter on their desktop or 
tablet?

If you design a good app, and sell it for a few dollars, if that is popular 
you can start a business. For get the swamp, make a mangrove tree.

It is also the period in time where businesses not only need a website but 
need an app or they do not exist in many peoples mind. Similarly people 
"understand" apps now they are learning what to ask for in an app, and even 
bespoke needs can be catered for. Far too often an app solution is hidden 
in indecipherable code so if you commission one you have to return to the 
original developer or get a new one, TiddlyWiki allows them not to trust 
the developer, because they can resort to open source code fixes, curiously 
they trust developers more who offer them this flexibility.

If you do not know what is behind the PWA or Progressive Web App I urge you 
to find out. It is possibly the most important recent trend and defines 
what people will expect.

If you ask me TiddlyWiki was born to succeed in this.


*Progressive web applications (PWAs) 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_web_applications> are a type 
of mobile app <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_app> delivered through 
the web, built using common web technologies including HTML 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML>, CSS 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascading_Style_Sheets> and JavaScript 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaScript>. They are intended to work on 
any platform that uses a standards-compliant browser. Functionality 
includes working offline, push notifications 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push_technology>, and device hardware 
access, enabling creating user experiences similar to native applications 
on mobile devices. Since they are a type of webpage 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webpage> or website 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Website> known as a web application 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_applications>, there is no requirement 
for developers or users to install the web apps via digital distribution 
systems like Apple App Store 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/App_Store_(iOS)> or Google Play 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Play>.*


*While web applications have been available for mobile devices for as long 
as mobile devices have existed, they had generally lagged behind native 
apps in terms of speed, features, and user adoption, especially on mobile 
devices. Direct access to hardware and the ability to work offline, 
previously only available to native apps, allows PWAs to perform much 
faster and to provide more features in line with native apps.*


*PWAs do not require separate bundling or distribution. Publication of a 
progressive web app is as it would be for any other web page. PWAs work in 
any browser, but "app-like" features such as being independent of 
connectivity, install to home screen and push messaging depend on browser 
support. As of April 2018, those features are supported to varying degrees 
by the Microsoft Edge 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Edge>, Google Chrome 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Chrome>, Mozilla Firefox 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox> and Apple Safari 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safari_(web_browser)> browsers, but more 
browsers may support the features needed in the future.[1] 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_web_applications#cite_note-CanIUsePWA-1>[2]
 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_web_applications#cite_note-IsServiceWorkerReady-2>*

Regards
Tony


On Saturday, July 6, 2019 at 5:19:44 AM UTC+10, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Mark S. wrote:
>
>> ... I can imagine a wrapper kit for Android that would allow any 
>> mobile-themed TW to be turned into an application. 
>> The problem is, there are just so many apps already. 
>>
>
> I got to thinking about "Quinoid". Its an example of "enabling software." 
> A wrapper for TW that can give added functions and could potentially be 
> expanded
>
> Its, I think, a good example of where the money may be. 
>
> FWIW, amongst the most profitable businesses in the mobile phone sector 
> are the companies who manufacture the boxes for phones.
>
> I'm NOT suggesting Quidoid is that, But its an example of you "need a 
> wrapper" for best presentation. You need Quidoid + the App(s). That's a 
> product.
>
> Thoughts
> Josiah
>

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