On Jun 24, 6:39 pm, Martin Budden <[email protected]> wrote:

> we uploaded 2.5.1 on Monday and were planning to announce that day as
> well. Unfortunately a bug was found: upgrading did not work for any
> TiddlyWiki that contained non-ascii characters. The decision we took
> was:
>
> i) don't pull the 2.5.1 release
> ii) don't announce the upgrade, so we don't get a lot of people upgrading
> iii) find a fix as soon as possible, and do a 2.5.2 release containing the fix

Wouldn't it be a wiser choice to announce a release and let volunteers
check for bugs for a reasonable time before including it as the
upgrade.

As an upgrade unsuspecting users would expect that it has already been
debugged by a range of experts who have exhaustively tested it.  It is
understandable that as many people as possible need to try a new
release to evaluate it in a variety of uses to debug it.

However is it good practice to let people who routinely upgrade be
unsuspecting beta users?  The practice in the past gave users a choice
whether to be testers or not.  The changes now are more than routine
bug fixes and tweaks, they are a dramatic deviation from what has gone
before.

There is a big difference between a new release and a routine upgrade.
And lacking any commercial or other pressures there is no reason why
the upgrade should not lag behind new beta releases by a safe degree.

Fortunately the first release, after the reasonably stable 2.5.0,
caused several people, that we know of, to denude their TiddlyWiki of
content should be a word to the wise.

I hope this criticism is considered constructive,

Morris





On Jun 24, 6:39 pm, Martin Budden <[email protected]> wrote:
> Ton,
>
> we uploaded 2.5.1 on Monday and were planning to announce that day as
> well. Unfortunately a bug was found: upgrading did not work for any
> TiddlyWiki that contained non-ascii characters. The decision we took
> was:
>
> i) don't pull the 2.5.1 release
> ii) don't announce the upgrade, so we don't get a lot of people upgrading
> iii) find a fix as soon as possible, and do a 2.5.2 release containing the fix
>
> We now have a fix, and are planning to do a 2.5.2 release today.
>
> Sorry about the confusion.
>
> As for the translation, I'll get an updated version of the English
> master version up today. There are a few minor changes compared to
> 2.4.
>
> Martin
>
> 2009/6/23 Ton van Rooijen <[email protected]>:
>
>
>
> > What happened to TW 2.5.0?
> > There hasn't been any announcement to the contrary, so TW 2.5.1 is
> > supposed to still be Beta.
> > On the official homepage of TW however, all of a sudden there is TW
> > 2.5.1.
> > But in the Timeline in the Sidebar there is no recent change, although
> > the NewFeatures-tiddler clearly has been updated.
> > Question-1: What's going on?
> > Furthermore I noticed the publication of Chinese TWs for 2.5.1, but I
> > haven't seen any change in "http://svn.tiddlywiki.org/Trunk/
> > association/locales/core/en/locale.en.js" since TW 2.4.
> > Question-2: Do we translaters need to create new versions, and where
> > then is our English master-copy, or are there no changes indeed as
> > compared to v2.4?
> > Btw. don't take me wrong: I'm not criticizing, but since I feel
> > responsible for 2 translations I am just curious.
> > Thanks in advance for your replies.
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