Morris, thanks for your comments. I think it is fair to say we made a mistake and must do better next time. However I don't think that the mistake was that we "let people who routinely upgrade be unsuspecting beta users". We had a proper beta release back on the 27th May, see:
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/TiddlyWikiDev/browse_thread/thread/16542e6bc78c01d0/cd2f00d187d893ee?lnk=gst&q=beta#cd2f00d187d893ee Rather, I think the problem was that we didn't do sufficient upgrade testing on the beta release, so a bug was allowed through into the final release. Do you agree? Martin 2009/6/24 Morris Gray <[email protected]>: > > On Jun 24, 6:39 pm, Martin Budden <[email protected]> wrote: > >> we uploaded 2.5.1 on Monday and were planning to announce that day as >> well. Unfortunately a bug was found: upgrading did not work for any >> TiddlyWiki that contained non-ascii characters. The decision we took >> was: >> >> i) don't pull the 2.5.1 release >> ii) don't announce the upgrade, so we don't get a lot of people upgrading >> iii) find a fix as soon as possible, and do a 2.5.2 release containing the >> fix > > Wouldn't it be a wiser choice to announce a release and let volunteers > check for bugs for a reasonable time before including it as the > upgrade. > > As an upgrade unsuspecting users would expect that it has already been > debugged by a range of experts who have exhaustively tested it. It is > understandable that as many people as possible need to try a new > release to evaluate it in a variety of uses to debug it. > > However is it good practice to let people who routinely upgrade be > unsuspecting beta users? The practice in the past gave users a choice > whether to be testers or not. The changes now are more than routine > bug fixes and tweaks, they are a dramatic deviation from what has gone > before. > > There is a big difference between a new release and a routine upgrade. > And lacking any commercial or other pressures there is no reason why > the upgrade should not lag behind new beta releases by a safe degree. > > Fortunately the first release, after the reasonably stable 2.5.0, > caused several people, that we know of, to denude their TiddlyWiki of > content should be a word to the wise. > > I hope this criticism is considered constructive, > > Morris > > > > > > On Jun 24, 6:39 pm, Martin Budden <[email protected]> wrote: >> Ton, >> >> we uploaded 2.5.1 on Monday and were planning to announce that day as >> well. Unfortunately a bug was found: upgrading did not work for any >> TiddlyWiki that contained non-ascii characters. The decision we took >> was: >> >> i) don't pull the 2.5.1 release >> ii) don't announce the upgrade, so we don't get a lot of people upgrading >> iii) find a fix as soon as possible, and do a 2.5.2 release containing the >> fix >> >> We now have a fix, and are planning to do a 2.5.2 release today. >> >> Sorry about the confusion. >> >> As for the translation, I'll get an updated version of the English >> master version up today. There are a few minor changes compared to >> 2.4. >> >> Martin >> >> 2009/6/23 Ton van Rooijen <[email protected]>: >> >> >> >> > What happened to TW 2.5.0? >> > There hasn't been any announcement to the contrary, so TW 2.5.1 is >> > supposed to still be Beta. >> > On the official homepage of TW however, all of a sudden there is TW >> > 2.5.1. >> > But in the Timeline in the Sidebar there is no recent change, although >> > the NewFeatures-tiddler clearly has been updated. >> > Question-1: What's going on? >> > Furthermore I noticed the publication of Chinese TWs for 2.5.1, but I >> > haven't seen any change in "http://svn.tiddlywiki.org/Trunk/ >> > association/locales/core/en/locale.en.js" since TW 2.4. >> > Question-2: Do we translaters need to create new versions, and where >> > then is our English master-copy, or are there no changes indeed as >> > compared to v2.4? >> > Btw. don't take me wrong: I'm not criticizing, but since I feel >> > responsible for 2 translations I am just curious. >> > Thanks in advance for your replies. > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWikiDev" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/TiddlyWikiDev?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
