On Friday, January 16, 2015 at 2:11:32 PM UTC, PMario wrote: > > ltr: File TW, TidlySpot, hoster [3], TiddlySpace, localhost:8080 (nodejs > tiddlywiki) > [snip] > > [3] https://tank.peermore.com/ >
I just thought I would remind that hoster and tank are two different services and both continue to run on my server. hoster's code isn't getting any updates, but it's still running at http://hoster.peermore.com/ and may be of interest, at least as a way of examining the evolution of multi-user server sides. I think (as your document mostly makes clear) that it is important to distinguish between TiddlyWeb -- which is the API, library, framework for doing expressive server side manipulations of tiddlers and collections thereof -- and tiddler hosting services like Hoster, TiddlySpace and Tank which provide a variety of (multi-)user experiences on top of TiddlyWeb. I think we can argue pretty well that TiddlyWeb is a pretty mature expression of its API and does what it says on the tin quite well. On the other hand we are yet to see an implementation of the multi-user experience that has received anywhere near as much attention to detail as TiddlyWeb itself: * Hoster was an experiment (by me) to demonstrate (to Osmosoft) that a multi-user service was possible and that it was worth Osmosoft making a concerted effort to create one. * That effort was supposed to be TiddlySpace but as those with long memories will know, while there were several valiant efforts to get the entire group (with all their diverse skills) working on the project consistently over a long period of time, organizational difficulties meant those efforts never really saw full fruit. Yes there's a nice service there for some purposes, but it never really reached the full promises described in all the various planning spaces that got created over time. The github repo for TiddlySpace suggests that nobody is working the core TiddlySpace code anymore (the last commit was from me a year ago). * Tank was my way of keeping myself busy after Osmosoft let me go and while I had pneumonia. I wanted to create a tool that would be useful to me (I use it every day now) but figured why not make it available to everyone else as well. I think TiddlyWeb demonstrates that I'm pretty good at making useful APIs and backends that are flexible and powerful. I think that hoster and tank demonstrate that I either lack the skills or motivation (probably a combination of both) to create a glorious user experience for the general population. I'd be very curious to see what would happen if a group with the right set of skills set their mind to creating a multi-user experience that has the same attention to detail as TiddlyWeb. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWikiDev" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywikidev. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
