Marion,

Sounding really good, but I hope the "limitations do not restrict our 
futures"

To clarify, You said you did not understand my line

I can still progress the matter but presenting a possible specification, 
some detailed requirements or research that specifies relevant tiddlers 
that make coding the solution much more straight forward. 

What I am saying is although I am not yet at the skill level to build push 
able items, I am capable of the above input to a change request, making it 
easier for the developer to action. We should encourage others to do this 
support work as well.

Regards
Tony

On Wednesday, June 13, 2018 at 8:50:58 PM UTC+10, PMario wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, June 13, 2018 at 4:21:48 AM UTC+2, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> This all sounds great. Perhaps you have addressed this but as a super 
>> user rather than developer, if I see or submit a feature  I would really 
>> like, but do not have the dev skills to implement it
>>
>
> The feature-request 
> <https://gitlab.com/tiddlywiki.org/feature-request/issues?sort=weight&state=opened>
>  
> section, I did propose is meant to be part of this workflow. ... 
>
> At the moment we have ~500 feature requests in our 600 item issue-list. 
> That's a big problem. Because if someone looks at it, they may think.  
> "This project is broken". Which is not true. There are just a lot of 
> feature requests. ... Which means there is a lot of interest ... 
>
> So enabling voting and discussion, in an area, that doesn't "clash" with 
> the bug-list, may raise the possibility that developers actually pick up 
> and implement features, where we know, that they will benefit many users. 
> ... 
>
> ------------
>
> About skills. .. At the moment it's not possible, to allow a newbee 
> developer to publish the simpliest changes. Even if it is ... fixing some 
> typos. 
>
> Because everything is 1 big monolythinc "beast". ... It's easy to create 
> side-effects, that may break "the core" ... So every simple change has to 
> go through the same review cycle as "core" changes. 
>
> Which is slow and sometimes frustrating for new developers. ... That's 
> why, the proposal is to split things up in a sensible way. eg: 
>
> User documentation ... Can be updated within minutes!!!
>  - Community Links
>  - Extended Examples
>  - HomePage - Landing Page
>  - ....
>
> Middle Gournd ... We will see?!
>  - Community Plugins
>  - Editon Templates
>  - Themes 
>
> Reference documentation ... changes with a new Release
>  - It's important, that the the reference info is in sync with the core
>  - core translations
>
>  
>
>> I can still progress the matter but presenting a possible specification, 
>> some detailed requirements or research that specifies relevant tiddlers 
>> that make coding the solution much more straight forward. 
>>
>
> I don't understand this paragraph. 
>  
>
>> It would be nice not only to allow this type of content into a request 
>> but to also encourage it , in part because if someone wants something, or 
>> likes something they are actually more likely to actually help it happen.
>>
>
> That's 100% right. ... Developers are humans too :) ... And there is a 
> much better chance, that I implement something, that I also would like to 
> have, as something, that I don't need or don't like.   .... BUT  .... 
>
> My decision may change, if I see, that a feature, I thought is not needed, 
> got 200 up-vots. ... So implementing it, would increase "fame" qute a bit. 
> Which isn't a bad thing ;)
>  
>
>> This could simplify the development process and increase the throughput 
>> by crowd-sourcing some of the effort. Perhaps being able to rate each 
>> feature with a complexity (how complex the change is) and maturity level 
>> (How close to completion) could help.
>>
>
> With the current GitHub setup, it's not possible, that "users" add / 
> change labels to issues. Only the project owner can do this. 
>
> With my proposed setup, that changes. The "Reporter 
> <https://docs.gitlab.com/ee/user/permissions.html>"-role is designed to 
> be used for this type of work. So "reporters" can help developers with some 
> admnistrative work. 
>
> ------
>
> The next role "developer" can already push to "non-protected" branches. 
> ... A non-protected branch has the possibility to trigger an automated 
> "build and publish" process. ... 
>
> At the moment this would be similar to the creation of a prerelease. .. 
> Which only Jeremy can do. ...
>
> I hope that makes sense.
>
> have fun!
> mario
>
>
>
>

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