Hi Diego
> I could imagine the node version (requiring "extra" steps anyway) supporting
> auto-updating of plugins/core, while the single-file version is more like a
> "frozen" wiki you have to manually upgrade.
The procedure under Node.js for updating the core and plugins from the official
library is to use the `npm update` command. As per the original discussion
here, the fetch command could be used under Node.js to fetch the latest
versions of plugins/tiddlers — it was added as the means to implement
Twederation under Node.js.
Best wishes
Jeremy.
>
>
>
> On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 1:22:12 PM UTC-6, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
> Hi Diego
>
>> Is this not a good way to keep plugins and even the core auto-updated?
>
> The fetch command only works under Node.js and not within the browser.
>
> As noted above, we can make HTTP requests in the browser but we're restricted
> to endpoints that are CORS enabled, which GitHub Pages is not. That's why the
> plugin library is based on loading the library in an iframe and communicating
> with it via window.postMessage.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
>>
>> On Sunday, December 16, 2018 at 12:09:06 PM UTC-6, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>> Hi Joe
>>
>>> A couple of comments
>>>
>>> 1) I like the idea of collaborating at the level of "single tiddlers"
>>> All I have to do is put a single tiddler on github and publish the
>>> address and off we go.
>>>
>>> 2) Bundles of related tiddlers could be published with names like
>>> Tiddler.tid.zip (or something)
>>
>> You can use a JSON file as a container for multiple tiddlers. The format is:
>>
>> [
>> {
>> "title": "HelloThere",
>> "text": "Foo",
>> "type": "text/vnd.tiddlywiki",
>> "tags": "TableOfContents",
>> "modified": "20181206090053690",
>> "created": "20130822170200000"
>> },
>> {
>> "title": "GettingStarted",
>> "text": "Bar",
>> "type": "text/vnd.tiddlywiki",
>> "tags": "TableOfContents",
>> "modified": "20181206090053690",
>> "created": "20130822170200000"
>> }
>> ]
>>
>>> 3) I suspect github or Google pages or (whatever) will muck with the
>>> content-types and so on
>>> but it would be easy to just define "tiddlers over HTTP" - just send them
>>> as regular HTTP pages
>>> where the Body is tiddler (headers and all) - ie the .tid file verbatim.
>>
>> I’d like to be able to support the current range of tiddler file types,
>> either by specifying an override content type, or perhaps by sniffing the
>> file extension.
>>
>>> 4) It seems to me the creating an entire TW (as a single all-in-one file)
>>> is a job of collating and selecting
>>> which tiddlers you want to appear in the final TW.
>>>
>>> Of course, many users will not want this fine level of granularity - but I
>>> rather like the idea of 'remoting'
>>> individual tiddlers.
>>>
>>> Really this is a discussion about what I might call "the granularity of
>>> collaboration" - which I think is an individual tiddler.
>>>
>>> When I've written books most of the discussion with my editor has been over
>>> individual paragraphs and not the
>>> whole - put the parts together into the whole is a different exercise.
>>>
>>> It could be quite fun. See my
>>> https://joearms.github.io/tiddlers/A programmers introduction to the
>>> TiddlyWiki.tid
>>> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fjoearms.github.io%2Ftiddlers%2FA%2520programmers%2520introduction%2520to%2520the%2520TiddlyWiki.tid&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNELHRa4E0GprfLXl5j9yrltBWdlkw>Excellent
>>> stuff, that’s a good perspective to write from.
>>
>>> I can image people pushing minor changes to this, or proposing alternatives
>>> - getting the individual tiddlers right
>>> seems a nice step *before* assembling the parts into the whole. Of course,
>>> this is an approximation and the two phases
>>> writing tiddlers and assembling them into larger parts cannot be separated
>>> - but the TW allow seamless flipping between these two modes.
>>
>> Indeed, the “twederation” dream is to be able to do all of this without
>> GitHub, too.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
>>>
>>> Fun stuff
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> /Joe
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, 16 December 2018 18:18:50 UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>>> Hi Joe
>>>
>>>> I'd like some feedback on some tiddlers I've been writing.
>>>>
>>>> If I publish the tidders on github (ie the individual tiddlers and NOT an
>>>> entire TW)
>>>> is there a syntax that can be used that can yank in and view the tiddler
>>>> from any other
>>>> TW?)
>>>>
>>>> I realise this breaks security - but would be very convenient - can the
>>>> remote tiddler be run in a
>>>> iframe? or some other trusted mode?
>>>
>>> We can do that from Node.js (running in the browser we can only retrieve
>>> from HTTP endpoints that are CORS enabled).
>>>
>>> There’s a “fetch” command that retrieves tiddlers over HTTP that ought to
>>> be able to do the job:
>>>
>>> tiddlywiki editions/empty/ --verbose --fetch file
>>> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/master/editions/dev/tiddlers/HelloThere.tid
>>>
>>> <https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/master/editions/dev/tiddlers/HelloThere.tid>
>>> '[!is[system]]' '' --build index
>>>
>>> It’s intended for exactly this kind of use case.
>>>
>>> https://tiddlywiki.com/#FetchCommand <https://tiddlywiki.com/#FetchCommand>
>>>
>>> In particular, a useful arrangement is to save the URLs of the files you’re
>>> importing in the URL field of tiddlers tagged, say, “remote-server”, and
>>> then you can use a filter to specify a bunch of URLs to read:
>>>
>>> tiddlywiki editions/empty/ --verbose --fetch files
>>> '[tag[remote_server]get[url]]' '[!is[system]]' '' --build index
>>>
>>> However, it doesn’t work with GitHub at the moment because it returns all
>>> files with the content type “text/plain” which confuses the import
>>> mechanism. We could fix this easily enough by allowing an override content
>>> type to be specified as an additional command parameter.
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>>
>>> Jeremy.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> /Joe
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