Hal Murray wrote:
Interesting that the three receivers with issues were all SiRF III
based. Do you know what firmware these were running?

Nope.  If you know the recipe to find out, I'll ask them.  :)

I just scanned their NMEA documentation and didn't see any way to get it.

If memory serves, there's a $PSRF command to kick them into SiRF Binary mode, then you send a SiRF binary command -- "Request Version" or something like that. Then you get a binary response with the software type (i.e. if the manufacturer of the GPS board paid extra for the "enhanced navigation" software) and the version of that software.

To be truthful, the stuff is in the manuals (you want $PSRF100 from the SiRF NMEA manual, which is on www.fastraxgps.com under Products, IT321, in the datasheet section on the bottom right) but if you've got a Windows box around somewhere, it's probably easier to grab a copy of SiRF's "SiRF Demo" app and use that. To get the software version, plug the GPS in, select the serial port and connect to the module, then select Poll >> SW Version. The version number should appear in the "Response View".

Failing that, the "sirfmon" app that comes with gpsd might get the receiver into binary mode and should let you talk to it, but I haven't used it.

For reference when dealing with SiRF manuals: GSW2 = SiRFStar II, GSW3 = SiRFStar III.

The data gets collected on a system without PPS, but it's sitting next to a machine that does have PPS from a Z3801A. So their is some noise on the reference time, but not much on the scale of a 100 ms that the SiRF chips wander over.

There is something of a subtle note in the SiRF NMEA manual (<http://www.fastraxgps.com/showfile.cfm?guid=9de68fec-1d95-4fd3-8809-f068c9aaf220>) on page 1-7 (PDF p.15) under "ZDA -- Time and Date". Basically, the chip sends the 1PPS first, then queues a ZDA message to be sent.

I suspect there's probably some form of co-operative multitasking or RTOS engine running on the SiRF chip's CPU (I've been told it's an ARM something-or-other), which loops over a list of 'tasks' in a round-robin fashion. If the PPS flag gets sent (by the 1PPS loop, probably an interrupt driven from the correlator array, I haven't read the GPS specs but understand the basics) just after the flag is checked by the ZDA handler, you won't see another ZDA message until the loop gets back to the ZDA handler again.

So accuracy of the NMEA messages may well be pretty terrible, though as you said the 1PPS should be pretty good.

I expect the PPS output is still OK. It's just that the software is off by one in some strange pattern when a leap second is pending.

I remember reading something about this a few days ago, but it seems to have dropped out of my Firefox browsing history. IIRC there were issues with the various navigation modes in V3.1.1, but all my Google searches are coming up with are some GPS user's forums and a note in the gpsd changelog from 2005.

Hmm.

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Phil.
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http://www.philpem.me.uk/

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