Hi Burt ,

Two thousand years ago the Wobulator was invented . An early sweep generator !

                                              Steve

--- On Fri, 8/14/09, Burt I. Weiner <[email protected]> wrote:

From: Burt I. Weiner <[email protected]>
Subject: [time-nuts] Coil sensitivity to external magnetic fields...
To: [email protected]
Date: Friday, August 14, 2009, 6:52 AM

Pardon me for inter-loping here - I don't know if this has any bearing on the 
subject but the following was certainly a learning experience for me.  About a 
thousand years ago I had an ICOM IC-21A two-meter radio.  The speaker coil 
opened and the only convenient replacement I could find had a larger magnet.  
The speaker for this radio is mounted in the lid.  I replaced the speaker and 
checked it out before re-assembling the radio.  Everything was fine.  Once I 
re-assembled the radio it was deaf.  Figuring I had bumped something I opened 
it up to check.  With the lid off it worked fine.  After a few rounds of this 
same exercise I decided I was going to put the lid on with the receiver 
operating.  What I discovered was that the magnet on the speaker came within 
about 1/8" of one of the I.F. cans.  The field from the magnet detuned the I.F. 
coil.  I finally had to order a replacement speaker from ICOM, which solved the 
de-tuning problem because
 of the smaller magnetic.

What I learned is that, depending on the resolution of your test equipment,  
yes, very small fields, A.C. or D.C. can impose a tuning effect on an inductor 
with a Ferris type core.  A D.C. field can (shift) de-tune a circuit and an 
A.C. field will modulate it by changing the reactance of a Ferris type core 
inductor.

Burt, K6OQK



> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] OCXO sensitive to gravity
> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
> -1; format=flowed
> 
> Bruce Griffiths wrote:
> > Some caution is in order as some ferrites used in RF transformer coils
> > may be permanently altered by application of a strong magnetic filed.
> > Testing at lower fields first would be safer.
> > Setupo a pair of Helmholtz coils and excite them with low frequency AC
> > and look for associated sidebands in the oscillator output.
> > NB a spectrum analyser is unlikely to be sensitive enough for this.
> 
> I was just about to say the same. Also, it has much higher repeatability
> and makes quality measures on measures and counter-measures much easier
> to achieve.
> 
> Cheers,
> Magnus

Burt I. Weiner Associates
Broadcast Technical Services
Glendale, California  U.S.A.
[email protected]
K6OQK 


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