Steve wrote.
Wasn't life so much easier with valves (tubes)...
Amen brother.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Rooke" <[email protected]>
To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement"
<[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Conducting Bench Top Material
Wasn't life so much easier with valves (tubes)...
:-)
Steve
2010/1/27 Bob Camp <[email protected]>:
Hi
If you are manually loading up a wire bonder with conventional CMOS chips,
ESD damage is a very real thing. You can haul the chip over to a SEM and
actually take pictures of he craters you blast in it. Very cool pictures.
No cat's, carpets, or Windhurst machines needed. Just normal operators
with missing wrist straps will do the trick quite nicely.
Bob
On Jan 26, 2010, at 2:21 AM, [email protected] wrote:
Back about 1981, we had piles of 6502s, etc and decide to some
"antistatic testing". We put a 40pin ZIF socket into a VIC-20, and then
set about trying to fry the uP using carpet, a cat, car seats, etc. The
DUT was then put back into the VIC and series of tests run to verify
operation. I don't think we ever had a failure. Of course, there may have
been some hiding that we missed, but all the static damage I've seen has
been pretty severe.
That said, I always use a wrist strap and mat if I'm working on something
I don't want to break further.
-Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles P. Steinmetz" <[email protected]>
To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement"
<[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 11:27:11 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Conducting Bench Top Material
Bruce wrote:
Although over the years the non-conductive top has been an asset in
avoiding short circuits, etc., I am concerned about static discharges
when
handling modern semiconductors. Would it make sense to spray the
Masonite
with a weak copper sulphate or similar solution so as to make the
masonite
slightly conductive, but not so conductive that 155 VAC connections
could not
safely rest upon it? Is there a better-suited material that could be
used
to replace the Masonite?
I notice that many folks who have contributed on this thread use
anti-static benchtops, but I have never found it necessary (and I try
to keep the RH in my house under 45% -- it is generally 20% or less
in the winter). I've been fooling with static-sensitive parts for 35
years and haven't lost one to static yet. With that perspective, my
preferred benchtop is white Formica with a very, very slightly
pebbled surface. Very durable, including to molten solder, and small
parts show up well. I use rubberized "gunsmith" mats for preventing
scratches to delicate workpieces (these happen to be anti-static, but
that is not why I have them).
Other bench thoughts:
Bench depth is very important. I sometimes work on equipment that is
more than 24" deep, so I want at least 30" of clear space in front of
any obstructions (power strips, Variac, test equipment,
whatever). In the past, I used a "flying bridge" over the rear 18"
of a 48"-deep bench to elevate the test equipment, which worked very
well. Now I use 24" deep adjustable wire-rack shelving units behind
a 30" benchtop (As others have pointed out, you can do the same with
equipment racks -- I'm not a fan of rack-mounting test equipment
unless the racks are anchored and everything is on slides, which I
was not prepared to do). I don't have enough shop real estate to
have a permanent access aisle behind the test equipment, so the bench
and racks have large (5") locking polyurethane wheels and can be
pulled out relatively easily for reconfiguration. This provides
plenty of stability for electronic projects, but you wouldn't want to
mount a big vise on the bench and try to bend 1" rebar. For that, I
have a separate metalworking shop.
Bench height is also important. I prefer a tall bench, suited to
working standing or sitting on an ergonomic stool, so my bench top is
44" above the floor -- a bit below my standing elbow height.
Finally, one can never have too many power outlets, or too much
light, in a workshop. Lighting should be arranged so that it doesn't
cause specular reflections from the workpiece or the faces of test
equipment.
Best regards,
Charles
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