If I may be allowed to summarize, it appears that Warren and Bruce agree that integration is necessary to produce true ADEV results. Warren asserts that the low-pass filtering his method uses is "close enough" to integration to provide a useful approximation to ADEV, while Bruce disagrees. So, the remaining points of contention seem to be:

1. How close can a LPF implementation come to integration in ADEV calculations, and

2.  How close to true ADEV is "good enough"?

I humbly submit that trading insults has become too dreary for words, and that neither Warren nor Bruce will ever convince the other on the latter point.

I thus humbly suggest (nay, plead) that the discussion be re-focused on the two points above in a "just the facts, ma'am" manner. One can certainly characterize mathematically the differences between integration and LP filtering, and predict the differential effect of various LPF implementations given various statistical noise distributions. If one is willing to agree that certain models of noise distributions characterize reasonably accurately the performance of the oscillators that interest us, one can calculate the expected magnitudes of the departures from true ADEV exhibited by the LPF method. Each person can then conclude for him- or herself whether this is "good enough" for his or her purposes. Indeed, careful analysis of this sort should assist in minimizing the departures by suggesting optimal LPF implementations.

Best regards,

Charles



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