J. Forster wrote:
OK. You know better.
BTW, op-amp noise is essentially irrelevant in this application, and the
C's across the FB resistors limit slew rates so there is no significant
dI/dt to cause voltage spikes.
Noise is never irrelevant.
You havent shown that its insignificant either.
In the real world such dv/dt assumptions with inductive loads lead to
fried parts.
For example if the circuit oscillates at high frequency because the
compensation isnt correct/effective or the feedback wire becomes
detached or the power supply goes down suddently due to a crowbar event
then high dv/dt at the opamp/buffer output is possible.
-John
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Bruce
Your naive stabilisation scheme wont work, try simulating it.
741's are somewhat noisier than necessary.
Omitting the diodes with an inductive load almost inevitably leads to
transistor or opamp destruction.
Bruce
J. Forster wrote:
IMO, far too complicated.
I'd use a series pair of u741s each with a complementary emitter follower.
2 u741s, 2x 2N2102, 2x 2N4036, 5 resistors. Maybe 2x .01 caos to stabilize
the thing
---------------------------------------------
|\| |---|c
DAC --o--| \ | |\ 2N2102
| | / --o-o |------CCCCC
R |/ | | |/ 2N4036
| | | |---|c
| |--------------------------------------------
| |
|--------o-------------------------to input of mirror image
Best,
-J
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The attached circuit schematic illustrates the Howland current source
plus inverting amplifier drive technique.
It also illustrates a method of frequency compensation (series RC
connected across the coil).
Of course one can either use discrete buffers or high current opamps.
However for improved accuracy using a difference amplifier with built
in
pretrimmed resistors for the Howland current source may be preferable,
in which case a discrete buffer stage or equivalent may be required.
Bruce
J. Forster wrote:
There are cheap, split supply audio amp ICs that'd work, or you could
use
a u741 with a complementary-symmetry output buffer of discrete
transistors.
Crossover distortion would be essentially irrelevant, keeping the parts
count very low.
-John
============
The 60mA load current would be problematic for most common opamps
without an output buffer stage.
High voltage opamps are relatively rare.
Bruce
J. Forster wrote:
Since it's inside a closed loop, the design is uncritical.
One option is a high voltage Op-Amp with +/- 25 to 30 VDC supplies.
You
would set the OA gain to about 10, so 2.5 V in would yield 25 V
out. and
sum in a negative offset voltage so that +2.5 from the DAC yields 0.0
V
out. I'd use something like a 100 K FB resistor and a 10K from the
DAC,
assuming it's a voltage output DAC. A 1 M to the -25 V supply would
provide the 2.5 V offset.
Another option would be to use two series opamps with the first set up
as
above, and the second as a unity gain inverter with input connected to
the
output of the first. The coil would connect between the two OA
outputs.
As
one output swings high, the other mirrors that and goes low (just
as in
an
H bridge). Stability might be an issue, but this has the advantage of
only
needing a +/- 15 supplies.
FWIW,
-John
=============
Hi all,
I have a Seimens master clock with a Reiffler pendulum. A lovely
piece
of work that used to provide time services in the 40s.
Being a master clock it has contacts that open and close on each
pendulum swing and so I can monitor it's accuracy quite easily
using
gps and my 5370B.
I've adjusted it as best I can and the best I can get is about 50 ms
over 24 hours. However that was a one off. Temp and air pressure
cause
variations of up to 300 ms and it changes direction too. Basically
it's hard to keep accurate.
It also has a coil mounted near the pendulum and a fixed magnet on
the
pendulum bar and this coil connects to a box down below with a meter
and a knob. They are labelled in sec/day. The electronics in the box
are not clear (being quite old) but by measuring the current in
the coil it quite simply increases the current one way to slow the
clock
and the other way to speed it up. (I'll admit the physics of this
doesn't make sense to me - but it works!)
It's about 25v in the coil and goes up to 60mA max. Even at levels of
2mA has an effect.
Using this control it's quite easy to manually bring the clock
back to
the right time if it's say half a second fast.
What I want to do is control the current in the coil with a micro
controller which I have attached to a rubidium oscillator. Getting
the
pps from the pendulum clock in and comparing to actual time is easy,
but I need a way to control the current through the coil so it can
dynamically adjust the clock.
I need the current to go from say -10 to +10 mA (at 25v) and this
needs to be controlled via a micro controller output (which goes
from
0 to 5 with 2.5 being the 0mA point).
I can either use the D/A in the controller (or PWM an output I
suppose).
I'd appreciate some thoughts on circuits to do this. Software side is
not a problem.
Jim Palfreyman
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