On Oct 4, 2010, at 9:43 PM, "Heathkid" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Wow.... you really missed my point and by having someone listening/monitoring 
> it is not broadcasting.  Especially if it is in reality for the most part... 
> telemetry.
> 

The FCC is kind of down on transmissions not intended for a specific recipient. 
 There are some exceptions, and informal agreements (e.g. Aprs isnt to a 
specific recipient, but is intended for one of a group) Not a big deal though, 
you  can get an. Experimental license, though...
 
> Maybe I wasn't clear or maybe my message could have been misunderstood.  For 
> that, I am truly sorry.  I was thinking along the lines of what John stated, 
> "a beacon network that works like LORAN...".

You could do an experiment like that with a group, but I don't think it's 
viable as a continuing operation.  

And besides, I don't know that it really "fills a need"...  HF isn't great for 
time distribution, and there aren't suitable bands for hams down low.


> 
> * I'll shut up now and go back to just reading the posts for another month or 
> so..."

Naah....  All ideas are interesting, and just because *I* don't think it's 
great doesn't mean that someone else might not think it's the bees knees....


> 
> 73 Brice KA8MAV
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "jimlux" <[email protected]>
> To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" 
> <[email protected]>
> Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 11:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] 60 KHz Receiver
> 
> 
>> Heathkid wrote:
>>> Doesn't someone on here with a Ham license have a Cs standard and "could" 
>>> put up a 1pps signal?  Simply transmit your callsign within the 1pps (there 
>>> has to be a way) and we have a non-Govt. time standard "if needed".  A 
>>> simple 1pps PSK-31 (or other digital mode) signal would probably work and 
>>> be completely legal.  Let's do this on our own and not rely on Govt. or 
>>> GPS... Several throughout the world acting together (I'm not a programmer 
>>> so someone could step up and figure out the logistics for a receiver) and 
>>> we would have an alternative to GPS (IF/when it stops working).
>>> 
>> 
>> a) broadcasts aren't legal for US hams
>> b) ionospheric uncertainty in the skywave path makes this no better than WWV
>> c) Whats wrong with GPS and/or WWV and/or CHU or whatever?
>> d) A cheap Rb would give you a local reference that is much better than what 
>> you could do with receiving something via skywave.
>> 
>> If you want something that isn't run by governments,and is a technical 
>> challenge, how about pulsars?   I'd guess (not having looked into it at all) 
>> that is would be cheaper to set up a station to receive pulsars than to run 
>> a Cs standard.
>> 
>> While I fully sympathize with the "stand alone" approach (that's one of the 
>> appeals of HF comms in general.. you aren't depending on anyone else's 
>> infrastructure), I don't know that setting up a time standards station fits 
>> in with that..
>> 
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