The variation of solar time was obvious from the time from star observations. Harrison used to line up a scratch on his window with a star disappearing behind a distant roof top to get consistent time intervals when he was adjusting the
temperature compensation of his clocks and observing their rate.
Star time, known as sidereal time, is about 4 minutes a day different to solar time (365.25 / 366.25) but is free from any perturbations. So it is relatively easy to observe the variations of solar time by comparing solar noon with the time of transit of a star that night. It does not need a very good clock.
The difference is called the Equation Of Time.
cheers, Neville Michie

On 05/11/2010, at 9:17 PM, Hal Murray wrote:

When did clocks get good enough to notice the analemma?

[email protected] said:
My guess would be the 1600's. They certainly had everything they would need
before 1620.

What happened in 1620 to indicate that people could measure the analemma?


One way to "discover" the analemma is to have a good clock and take a year long sequence of measurements of the location of the sun at noon. So how
accurate does that clock need to be?

I found a web page that said:
For instance, on November 2nd the Sun is 16 minutes fast according to clock time and on February 11th it is 14 minutes slow. Mean solar time
  match on June 20th, April 14th, August 30th, and December 20th.

If the clock was off by 1 second per day (number pulled out of the air), that would be 5 minutes per year. That wouldn't close the path cleanly, but it
would be good enough to show the idea.

When did clocks become good to 1 second per day for a year?

The wikipedia article says pendulum clocks were invented in 1656. Harrison's H5 was good for 1/3 second per day in 1772. That probably brackets things.


Another way would be to notice that the Earth's orbit wasn't a circle and do the calculations to figure out the path of the analemma. I'm not sure when astronomers were good enough to do that. It was probably a long time ago. Some of those old-timers would be right at home with a time-nuts discussion. One of Harrison's competitors was using Jupiter's moons as a clock, and then
had worked out the speed of light correction for the Earth's orbit.


Here is a recipe for constructing one:
  http://www.analemma.org/constructanalemma.html
I don't understand what's going on.


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