Hi Poul-Henning,

On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 17:26:15 +0200, Poul-Henning Kamp <[email protected]> wrote:

In message <[email protected]>, paul swed writ es:
...
As for mains stability. They are indeed stable over time weeks and months
and are corrected.
...
Here in europe that was lost in the "privatization" of the grid: Nobody
was charged with paying for the extra power needed to capture lost
cycles, so now they just try to keep it close to 50.0Hz and don't
care about the integral.

where do you get that information? The ETSOE(transmission operators network)-handbook which specifies the control-loops for frequency/phase have a section on TIME CONTROL. They define different levels of allowed offsets between integrated network phase and UTC.

There are three bands with allowed deviations of +/- 20, 30 and 60 seconds
(target, tolerated and exceptional).

https://www.entsoe.eu/resources/publications/entso-e/operation-handbook/

--- QUOTE from Section P1, Page 29 ---
D. Time Control
[UCTE Operation Handbook Appendix 1 Chapter D: Time Control, 2004] {update under preparation}

Introduction
The objective of TIME CONTROL is to monitor and limit discrepancies observed between SYNCHRONOUS TIME and universal co-ordinated time (UTC) in the SYNCHRONOUS AREA. Reasonably it is applied during periods of uninterrupted interconnected operation, where the
SYNCHRONOUS TIME is the same in all control areas.
...
A discrepancy between SYNCHRONOUS TIME and  UTC is tolerated within a range
of ±20 seconds (without need for time control  actions).
---/QUOTE---

Greetings from Germany,

        Chris

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