It is composite, not metal.
If you know what you are doing, composites are extremely tough. I don't
know if graphite is kosher on a stealth plane. I have to assume it is
S-2 glass or similar nonconductive composites. But if graphite were
allowed, you would be amazed at how much abuse it could take.
On 12/15/2011 4:15 PM, Chris Albertson wrote:
All I can say is that the sheet metal on that drone looks really good.
I doubt it ran out of fuel.
They either landed it which would require very high level spoofing
ability or like I said use something like a butterfly net on it. The
metal is just to straight for a crash.
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 3:44 PM, gary<[email protected]> wrote:
I've talked to the GPS jammers at Nellis and have seen their gear. They
don't spoof but just jam. The gear is totally COTS. Some Marconi signal
generator that can generate white noise at the two GPS frequencies. They
have omni or directional antennas. They have an old Russian jammer on hand,
but the Marconi works a lot better.
I've been jammed by them. It is interesting in that the GPS just suddenly
dies. That is, it seems to track given some noise, but you hit a point where
it suddenly gives up. It is the only time I've seen no satellites shown on
the display.
It wouldn't surprise me if a Growler could spoof a GPS, but I have no hard
evidence that it can.
I'm in agreement with they just jammed everything and the thing ran out of
fuel. I have a FOIA somewhere on a Predator crash. With LOS, it just orbits.
In the case of this Predator, it orbited into a mountain near Creech AFB.
On 12/15/2011 3:18 PM, Chris Albertson wrote:
I bet this drone contains no technology that is not exportable. Of
course they had to think about a crash.
I also bet it had an inertial nav system as backup to the GPS. But
and this is the key to all backups. You have to know the primary is
failed. When you jam GPS the smart way is not to over power it with
white noise but to first transmit an IDENTICAL signal. Then very
slowly move your stronger signal away from "truth" until it is sending
a false signal. This way the receiver does not know it is being
jammed. No I did not just think of this, it's what "everyone" does.
But why then if the INS and GPS disagree was there not an alarm? It
was likely a low-cost INS that needed periodic updates from a GPS
I would not rule out that they simply made the drone fly into a big
fishing net and dropped it with a parachute in a kind of controlled
mid air collision. Heck the US used to capture film cam falling from
space with big nets
Chris Albertson
Redondo Beach, California
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