Thanks Bob.  I haven't kept up on TV broadcast standards & methods, obviously.  
It might be interesting (for the curiousity challenged) to pull out the color 
osc signal and compare to another accurate source (ie GPS) for live 
broadcasts.  While delayed, I would think that the signal freqs would still 
need to be maintained...  hmmm, maybe not...   interesting science project... 
anyone?  anyone?  ;-)

Jerry  



________________________________
 > From: Bob Camp <[email protected]>
> To: jerryfi <[email protected]>; Discussion of precise time and frequency 
> measurement <[email protected]> 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2012 4:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Using digital broadcast TV for timing?
 > 
> Hi
> 
> The whole cesium lock approach died back in the 90's. These days your local 
> station buffers / retimes / reframes everything. If you are lucky they use a 
> Rb for the timing.
> 
> Bob


On Feb 8, 2012, at 7:38 PM, jerryfi <[email protected]> wrote:

> A bit off topic, but historically related....  back in the 70's, I tapped off 
> the color burst 
> oscillator in my TV (a Heathkit) to get a 3.579545.... MHz  (315/88 MHz) 
> source to 
> calibrate my homebrew frequency counter. The TV's color burst oscillator was 
> phase 
> locked to the color burst signal on the broadcast signal  (which was on the 
> "back 
> porch" of the hori sync signals).  Supposedly, the networks were locked to 
> Cesium 
> standards traceable to NBS for LIVE broadcasts, such as news and sports.  
> Taped 
> programs, of course, were not usable as an accurate source.  In any case, 
> that signal
> served my purposes at the time (providing a reference for calibrating my 
> counter that
> was more accurate than anything else available to me).
> 
> I'm not sure if, what, or where analog TV is still broadcast, but I think 
> there are still a 
> few stations (low power) around.  You might still be able to use that signal, 
> IF you can 
> dig it out of your old analog TV.  ;-)  I do have analog tv's hooked up to my 
> cable 
> box - I suspect that live broadcasts would still have an accurate color 
> burst, so maybe.... 
> I think the other methods discussed here (ie, GPS) would provide easier and 
> more 
> reliable timing sources. ;-)  
> 
> Trying to locate the appropriate signal(s) in a digital TV today would be 
> interesting.  
> 
> Just as a historical aside.....
> Jerry Finn
> Santa Maria, CA  
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