To the group I really enjoyed the dropbox content. Pretty good pix and can't imagine dragging that stuff around. That said its good that HP did spinoff T&M otherwise it would be totally gone. Now look at HP what a mess. Financial mis-engineering. Regards Paul WB8TSL
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 1:03 AM, Scott McGrath <[email protected]> wrote: > All this ties back to the US fascination with financial engineering which > got rolling in the 80's. and the deregulation of the financial markets. > Back when most companies were funded by debt The banks had a vested > interest (sic) in making sure companies had a healthy pipeline and good > long term management practice otherwise they were not going to get paid > > Now it's all about manipulating the stock price for too many companies a > prime example being Kodak. they killed a bunch of product lines which were > generating a healthy operating profit. And broke businesses which depended > on them. Just to cause a momentary jump in the stock price yes silver based > photography is not the market it once was but there are segments which are > relatively insensitive to price and those were profitable. Kodak also > killed professional digital products. Including the best color printers > out there if you had a picture at Disney it was printed on one of Kodaks > printers. And to add to the stupidity they did not even spin off the asset > to another company. They just left customers in the lurch > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 13, 2013, at 3:40 PM, "J. Forster" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > It's an unfortunate fact of life. When a technology company grows, sooner > > or later the MBAs, lawyers, and vulture capitalists take over and the > > priorities get set by them and the quarter-over-quarter performance, > > rather that the science or engineering. > > > > I detest managers who believe that a person can competantly manage > > anything, like a soft drink company, a sneaker company, or a high-tech > > company. One size dies not fit all. Not even close. > > > > I often wonder what good ideas and inventions died on the boardroom > floor. > > > > This issue is not, by any means, limited to HP/Agilent. Corporate > raiders, > > like Danaher, has done it to a bunch of companies, like Fluke and > > Tektronix. And they are not alone. EG&G, TRW, and ITT are other examples. > > > > YMMV, > > > > -John > > > > ================= > > > > > > > >> I imagine that Mr Hewlett and Mr Packard have been spinning in their > >> graves for years, seeing what has become of their company. Why anyone > >> thought it was a good idea to sell off the divisions that made "real" > >> products and become a PC company is beyond my understanding. > >> > >> Years ago, I thought HP printers were top rate. I'm not even sure that > >> is true any more. > >> > >> Joe Gray > >> W5JG > >> > >> On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 6:44 AM, Volker Esper <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>> > >>> Thanks, Joe. Though I don't have such time equipment, the pictures are > >>> fascinating me and make me recall the days when the name "HP" stood for > >>> High > >>> Precision (or High Price) rather than for cheap printers. > >>> Those days are gone... > >>> > >>> Volker > >>> > >>> > >>> Am 13.01.2013 12:27, schrieb Dave Brown: > >>> > >>>> Thanks for these, Joe. > >>>> The photo with the sign 'set your watch' is especially interesting for > >>>> me as it shows a pair of old clock displays the same as one I have > >>>> here. > >>>> These are the two digital displays that are showing the same digits. > >>>> There's part of a third one the same on the extreme left but the > >>>> display > >>>> on that one is not visible in the photo. My clock has a different > >>>> mechanical dial on the ten turn pot at the extreme right of the front > >>>> panel- otherwise the unit I have here looks identical to those in the > >>>> photograph. > >>>> I have never been able to track down any info on this unit. Mine came > >>>> from a US military installation here in NZ (Black Birch) that has long > >>>> since been shut down. It's certainly old technology- RCA 'numitron' > >>>> displays and mostly TTL circuitry. I've had it running here > >>>> continuously > >>>> now for about six years driven from an HP 5245M timebase - the clock > >>>> has > >>>> never missed a beat. (recent quakes excepted ) Also. one of the > >>>> newspaper cuttings in that collection you posted mentions the flying > >>>> clock being down here in NZ to visit Mount John, a magnificent > >>>> observatory site in South Canterbury. These days it's a well known > >>>> astronomical observatory run as part of Canterbury University Physics > >>>> Department. > >>>> Dave Brown > >>>> Christchurch, NZ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Gray" <[email protected]> > >>>> To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" > >>>> <[email protected]> > >>>> Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 10:10 PM > >>>> Subject: [time-nuts] 1970's flashback > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Some time ago, a local Amateur gave me a CD with some radio related > >>>>> information. Also on the CD was some information from when he was in > >>>>> the Air Force. As it is Time Nuts related, some of you might find > this > >>>>> of interest. I have posted the images in my Dropbox and will leave > >>>>> them there for a few days before removing them. Several images are > >>>>> large. > >>>>> > >>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ri8md891qne99vn/fuSDWspqWD > >>>>> > >>>>> Joe Gray > >>>>> W5JG > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> time-nuts mailing list -- [email protected] > >>>>> To unsubscribe, go to > >>>>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > >>>>> and follow the instructions there. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> time-nuts mailing list -- [email protected] > >>>> To unsubscribe, go to > >>>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > >>>> and follow the instructions there. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> time-nuts mailing list -- [email protected] > >>> To unsubscribe, go to > >>> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > >>> and follow the instructions there. > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> time-nuts mailing list -- [email protected] > >> To unsubscribe, go to > >> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > >> and follow the instructions there. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > time-nuts mailing list -- [email protected] > > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > > and follow the instructions there. > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- [email protected] > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- [email protected] To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
