On 04/30/2013 03:38 AM, ewkeh...@aol.com wrote:
I never came to that conclusion. There is enough work out there with
results. My comment was to that particular paper that did not measure up to the
work Corby has been doing. Still trying to figure out the purpose of the
posting.
Bert Kehren

Well, it is comparing apples to oranges. So many other things changed that you can't compare it directly to Corbys work on the HP5065As. What you can draw conclusions from is relative changes within a particular design limit as you alter the design, draw some conclusions and then consider what it could do on another design.

So, it is a relevant thing to discuss, as a possible next step to look at, which is not to degrade at all the work being done. It can also turn out that for it to pan out as better, it comes at a much higher cost or has only marginally improvements, so Corbys change is better bang for the buck.

Cheers,
Magnus



In a message dated 4/29/2013 6:34:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
bruce.griffi...@xtra.co.nz writes:

Since  performance improves as the bandwidth of the "lamp" spectrum
decreases its  not unreasonble to suggest that a suitable laser source
may improve  performance further.

The following paper (and theoretical  considerations) indicate that your
conclusions regarding the potential  performance of a laser pumped
rubidium standard are  incorrect.

http://tf.boulder.nist.gov/general/pdf/1219.pdf

The  addition of second harmonic traps tuned to the 2nd harmonic of the
modulation frequency of the resonance interrogation signals should
improve the performance  considerably.


Bruce

ewkeh...@aol.com wrote:

  I am still sitting here trying to figure out the purpose  of posting  the
article on laser diode pumping of the Rb. One look at the  data  and it is
clear that Corby’s work far surpasses the data  shown in the paper. All
it does
is distract from Corb’s  accomplishments. Lets be clear, Corby has opened
the door of H Maser  performance for those that have a HP 5065A. Not all
work
is  done  but a giant step has been accomplished, the challenge now is to
  continue  the work. In simple terms it gets down to keep the A/V slope
from
turning  upward. Work is going on off list to address some  of the issues
and
maybe some  one is willing to contribute. But  what the list at a whole
can do
is contribute  data as to HP  5065A performance. There are quite a few
5065A’s
out there but   very little data besides HP spec. To better tackle the
flattening of  the curve,  aging, temperature sensitivity, barometric
pressure
  sensitivity and even  humidity sensitivity has to be understood. It  is
unrealistic to get past 1 E-13  unless this is understood and
compensated for. Also
some of these parameters  will vary from  unit to unit and some degree of
tailoring to a particular unit   has to be considered in the design. Some
tests
have to be done by  those members  that have access to a Maser.
Also Corby   found out that units with older A3 modules did not get the
performance  boost but  replacement of A3 did get the super performance.
That
  confirms my suspicion that  there is room for work on frequency
generation. PRS
10 does a direct  frequency generation. Somehow  using the  step recovery
diode as a mixer obviously works but is  it optimum, or is there a
better way
to generate the resonator  frequency? What is key to get the best  signal
and
S/N  ratio?
When previously mentioning aging control, concern was   voiced as to
getting
in to the HP 5065A. Corby’s work gets to the hart  of the  unit, the RVFR,
but Corby has gone four for four.   Adding control will only move the two
C
field wires to the analog  board and using 30 mA from the unit. Unit can
easily  restored to  its original condition as far as frequency control is
  concerned.
Obviously the RVFR is the big differentiator in the   HP5065A and I know
of
no commercially available unit that even gets  close but  once the work is
complete a look at a FRK may be in  order, I doubt it will ever  be as
good,
but there is room for a  filter and the physics part is considerable
larger
than today’s  units.  Some  other units may be using a filter but the
physics
package is so small that  compromises had to be made and  the goal was
more
cost than ultimate performance.
It is up to  the list to turn this in to a Maser like  performance with
out
  mortgaging your home.
Bert Kehren
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