Do all of us have to continue to be subjected to this pissing contest? Please quit or take it offline.
Joe Gray W5JG On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 7:13 PM, wb6bnq <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Mr. Adam Maurer (VK4GHZ), > > It really has nothing to do with your accolades, accomplishments or the > number of posts made on a list, chat room, forum, or even Youtube videos. > Your attitude is an entirely different issue, however. > > Mr. Robert Atkinson (G8PRI) treated you with respect and merely questioned > why you posted if you do not bother participating (which you openly > admitted) in the list. Hardly a rebuke of your persona, let alone any > accolades or accomplishments. Yet you felt, in a most disrespectful way, > compelled to drag him through the mud as though he was mere trailer trash > without the slightest of merit. > > This is far more telling of your character then Roberts. I especially > liked your "tall poppy syndrome." Referencing it shows you have serious > narcissistic issues with your pedigree. > > The Time-nuts list has a stated purpose with the intent being a high SNR. > That is, a high signal to low noise concept. Admittedly it has been > getting out of hand more often than not lately. Using the "Email > Reflector" as a communication medium for Time-nuts was chosen because it > required the least amount of maintenance and served the purpose intended. > It was not intended to be a chat room or forum. Just for the record this > "list reflector" was established after the year 2000, even though you think > it is so 1990's. > > Notably, your apparent supposition that someone's worth should be graded > by the number, as apposed to the quality of the posts, is quite > illuminating. > > Sharing, one of your claims of renown, is something we do on the Time-nuts > list. Is it because they are looking for handouts ? Possibly some, but > for most it is an educating effort or a peer review sort of thing. A kind > of comradery, that is, openly sharing a common interest. > > As for "free enterprise," no, I have nothing against it. A number of list > members produce items and have mentioned them on the list. The list was > and is not intended for one's captive audience for marketing purposes. > Your three messages and admitted non participation violate the previous > sentence. > > Your petty, vindictive, verbally abusive and very nasty attack on Mr. > Robert Atkinson shows a serious lack of maturity and was totally uncalled > for. So, my NO vote still stands as you are not worthy of our company. > > Bill....WB6BNQ > > > Robert Atkinson wrote: > > Hi Adam, >> I have copied this to our outmoded reflector. At least it's low noise and >> high quality. >> >> Sorry but dispite having been a licenced amateur for 35 years, I don't >> meet your 55+ demographic. >> I am aware that amateur radio has an aging demographic. That is why I >> have tutored for the UK licence for 30 years with student ages as low as >> 10. >> If you paid $3k for 50 double sided PTH PCBs you need to find a new >> supplier. >> >> I HAVE invested my own money in group projects (not time nuts), in one >> case an PIC driven LCD display add on for an instrument. I was able to sell >> these on ebay for $75 and to list/group members for $50. Circuit, source >> code and Hex file are published and freely available. I also supplied >> programmed PICs on request. So you are wrong in your statement "I seriously >> doubt somebody like you would" (invest in making up kits for a group. I do >> value my own time which is why I don't waste it on email forums full of >> people who have lots of opinion but no knowledge. >> >> You are correct, I don't contribute much to Time Nuts, I'm here to learn. >> I have contributed the odd manual PDF (originals purchased and scanned by >> myself) and some bits and pieces to members off-list. >> >> I also sell support software on PROM for other equipment, again at >> discount to relevant list members and with full details available. Many >> people do prefer to pay me to program devices, but at least I give them the >> option and assistance to do it themselves. >> >> >> Don't know what you typed into google, but when I put g8rpi in the third >> item was an open design for a low noise high voltage power supply of mine. >> You don't have to waffle on on youtube to contribute! You seem very fond of >> your voice and face. >> >> >> You imply your display is not a commercial product. I guess its not as it >> does not appear to comply with C-Tick, FCC or CE requirements :-) >> >> >> I'm aware of the time and effort required to make webpages, I've had >> formal training on the subject. >> I don't have a webpage, I contribute directly to specific groups. I don't >> need to boost my ego online. >> Your main website looks like a shop to me. Your other webpage >> http://www.qsl.net/vk4cp/ is "interesting" >> Your other "product" the Icom Multi-send looks a great design, or not. >> $79 for a PIC 3 Sil relay a few connectors and an undrilled case. >> >>  On your display, why no circuit? looking at the pictures it has TWO 28 >> pin Microchip devices. If these are both MCUs I don't think much of your >> coding skills My display used a single 14 pin PIC. >> And a rotary SWITCH for mode selection, how quaint and old fashioned. >> Also why the 3.3V regulator? >> You claim 0.02V accuracy. Really? I see no voltage reference and if you >> are using the PICs internal ADC thats only 10 bits so about 0.015V >> resolution for 0-15V input. With no other errors that's 0.03V (+_1 LSB) at >> best. I guess you could have a Vref and offset circuit on the other side of >> the PCB though. >> Couldn't you have included your "commander" functionaliy? This would save >> users from the messing about with programmers that you seem to think they >> hate (yes I know you said you have supplied programmed chips). >> >> Don't know what problem you have with engineers, without them you would >> not have much equipment. >> For the record I'm a Chartered Engineer, Member of the Royal Aeronautical >> Society. I've been a licenced aircraft engineer for 30 years and currently >> design avionics and systems. That includes work on VH aircraft, this grumpy >> old engineer may have designed a critical part on the next aircraft you fly >> on! >> >> >> I did not "initiate a personal attack on somebody," nor did I say that >> you do not contribute anything (I said you did not contribute to the Time >> nuts list, by your own admission you don't). I asked three questions. >> Obviously these touched a nerve. >> >> >> >> G'day, >> >> Robert Atkinson CEng MRAeS G8RPI. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________**__ >> From: Adam Maurer <[email protected]> >> To: Robert Atkinson <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, 12 >> September 2013, 13:13 >> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] ThunderBolt Display - Update >> >> >> >> Robert, I donâEUR^(TM)t bother with email reflectors, because they are >> too last century. >> email reflectors are ok if you are 55+, but they do not do anything >> positive to engage the much needed younger demographic into ham radio. >>  In case you havenâEUR^(TM)t noticed, ham radio is literally dying of >> old age. >> Do you honestly think younger people with smartphone these can get >> interested in these 1990âEUR^(TM)s text based email reflectors? >> They want something more engaging these days. >> IâEUR^(TM)m sorry (for you) that your demographic fails to appreciate >> this. >>  I posted about the display because it was suggested by another ham (who >> is a timenuts member) that I might be able to help others with a solution. >> Quite a few timenuts members now have this display, and they absolutely >> like it. >>  The fact that you have this expectation that everything will be served >> on a silver platter for nothing, and obviously place ZERO value on your own >> time to develop something like this, donâEUR^(TM)t automatically assume >> everybody else is the same. >>  Would you put up over $3k of your own money to kick start a production >> run of boards with no guarantee they will all be sold, let alone get your >> money back. >> I seriously doubt somebody like you would. >> But people like you are quick to shoot down those who do take risks. >>  If you want to tinker and develop something, great. >> Others can be time poor and just want the opportunity to purchase a ready >> made solution. >> People like me fill that void. >>  I must say, you come across as a typical grumpy old ham who expects >> everything for nothing. >> And, are you familiar with the term âEURoeTall Poppy SyndromeâEUR? >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Tall_poppy_syndrome<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tall_poppy_syndrome> >>  If you had bothered to spend a few minutes to find out, you would have >> come across my ThunderBolt Commander project. >> PICAXE code is there, suggested Veroboard layout is there, schematic is >> all there. >> Whether you have one of my displays or something else, I couldnâEUR^(TM)t >> care, and itâEUR^(TM)s freely available to any ThunderBolt user, and many >> have found it useful. >> IâEUR^(TM)ve even supplied pre-programmed PICAXEs free of charge to those >> who have contacted me that do not have the ability to do this. >> Have you done something like this recently for fellow hams? >>  And you have the nerve of publically saying I do not contribute >> anything. >> If you could let me know what ThunderBolt related projects you have >> shared and made available. >> My Google searches are not finding much at all. >>  And what have you made available to the wider ham community? >> I canâEUR^(TM)t find your website. >> You do have a website to openly share information, donâEUR^(TM)t you? >>  If you go to vk4ghz.com, which was only launched 2 months ago, you >> will see how much info I share on projects. >> Being web illiterate, you may not appreciate how much time it takes to >> take photos, Photoshop them, and write things up. >> Of course, I could just do what the typical grumpy old man does, and not >> publish anything on the internet... and just moan about others on some >> 1990âEUR^(TM)s email reflector. >> I donâEUR^(TM)t wish to stereotype, but this is all too common for hams >> in the 50+ demo. >>  I still canâEUR^(TM)t find much from you on the internet though? >> Perhaps Google is broken. >> Why wonâEUR^(TM)t YOU share things and contribute to the broader >> community? >>  I also run a ham radio forum, with almost 2,000 members. >> ItâEUR^(TM)s relatively large for this region, and many non-VK members >> have stated how useful it is. >> It has literally cost me many of thousands of dollars to run over the >> last decade, and the pitiful donations have never covered the running costs. >> So again, what have you done, and how much have you contributed back into >> the ham community? >> Have you personally spent several thousand of your own Pounds helping >> hams, and creating a community. >> Probably not. >> People who whinge about things not being free arenâEUR^(TM)t usually the >> types to help others. They consume, they donâEUR^(TM)t contribute. >> Period. >>  Next time you initiate a personal attack on somebody, try and do a bit >> of basic research first to see how much they may have put back into the >> community before trolling for supporters. >>  If you honestly think sending a few emails within a closed email group >> has helped the wider ham radio community more than I, then I salute you. >>  I see you havenâEUR^(TM)t contributed one post on the Audi-sport forum >> since joining. >> Why is that? >>  You havenâEUR^(TM)t contributed anything to the Aviation Forum either >> since joining. >> Why is that? >>  âEURoeI'm a professional engineer, electronics by training but have >> also done systems, mechanical and robotics.âEUR? >>  We have all heard the jokes about âEURoeengineersâEUR?. >>  So if you want to start some public debate on how much we have both >> contributed to the wider ham community, IâEUR^(TM)m up for it. >> My digital footprint is out there, and the time investment back into the >> hobby can easily be appreciated. >>  And if you honestly think 50 hand built units is some âEURoecommercial >> productâEUR?, we need to redefine some terms. >> And IâEUR^(TM)m hardly about to get rich by this, BTW. >> Do you have any idea how time consuming it is to manage a project like >> this? >> I could have just ignored the on going requests to make another batch. >> Some guys have been waiting since last December for more units, and they >> appreciate the value adding. >> Do you understand that concept? >>  In fact, the next time I tell somebody I canâEUR^(TM)t be bother >> helping them, I will remember your callsign, and your nasty public email. >> G 8 Really Pathetic Individual. >> Easy phonetics to remember. >>  WB6BNQ obviously has issues in allowing free enterprise, which is a bit >> strange for a Yank. >> A 5 second search reveals that WB6BNQ is a member of âEURoethe Island of >> misfit hamsâEUR? forum. >> https://forums.hamisland.net/**member.php/914-WB6BNQ?tab=** >> activitystream&type=all&page=7<https://forums.hamisland.net/member.php/914-WB6BNQ?tab=activitystream&type=all&page=7> >> Guess what? >> No posts. No contributions. No effort spent in sharing things there. >>  HeâEUR^(TM)s also a member of the PICAXE forum, but guess what? >> No posts, no contributions there either. >> http://www.picaxeforum.co.uk/**member.php?10054-WB6BNQ<http://www.picaxeforum.co.uk/member.php?10054-WB6BNQ> >> Just another hypocrite. >> I should contact the relevant administrators and suggest he be removed >> from a lack of postings. >>  You two make a great pair. >>  I could on and on, but itâEUR^(TM)s rather pointless. >>  I could have also easily CCed this to the TimeNuts reflector, but I am >> not going to stoop down to your level. >> Both you and I know how much you HAVENâEUR^(TM)T done for others, and >> that is enough for me. >> Although very tempting, I donâEUR^(TM)t need to put you down and question >> your moltives on a public resource. >>  So what circuits and code can you make available to me? >>  If you could spend a week or so in taking pictures, creating web >> content, writing up manuals, and doing videos, that would be great. >> Not to mention, IâEUR^(TM)d like you to spend several months in R&D at >> absolutely no cost to me as well. >> IâEUR^(TM)d also like you to subsidise the postage costs to me, even >> though a round trip to the PO is about an hour, and I could have spent this >> time doing something else. >> Can you also give some units away at ham conventions? >>  What else can you do for me, for absolutely free, because I place no >> value on your time and expertise, Mr Engineer. >>  How many other people have you pre-judged, and questioned their motives >> in public? >>  If you and WB6BNQ want to remove me from the TimeNuts forum, you go for >> it. >> No skin off my nose at all. >> It just demonstrates how petty people like you really are. >>  Enjoy your hobby. >> A very sincere 73. >>      From: Robert Atkinson Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 4:22 PM >> To: Adam Maurer ; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement >> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] ThunderBolt Display - Update >>  Hi Adam, >> If you "do not normally monitor this email reflector" or contribute to >> it, why are you using it it promote your commecial product? >> Are you going to make the circuit and code (or programmed MCUs) available >> to list members? >>  Robert G8RPI. >>  From: Adam Maurer <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2013, 6:56 >> Subject: [time-nuts] ThunderBolt Display - Update >> >> >> Hello all >> >> An update: >> ThunderBolt Display started shipping over a week ago. >> 31 out the 50 have already been sold. >> >> I have made a video on the display, and you can see a working example >> here: >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=BSSZ6BcggBo<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSSZ6BcggBo> >> >> Any new orders for the âEURoejumboâEUR? sized green and standard sized >> inverted blue variants will incur a 2 week wait, as these LCDs are only >> ordered in as-required. >> I do have a number of standard sized green units available for immediate >> shipping though on a first-in basis. >> >> I am away for 3 weeks in October, so if you want a display sooner than >> later, you should consider placing an order in the next few days, as it >> take 2 weeks for the LCDs to arrive. >> >> For more information of this device, please refer to: >> http://vk4ghz.com/thunderbolt-**display/<http://vk4ghz.com/thunderbolt-display/> >> You will find the latest revision of User Guide and Tech Supplement PDFs >> available as well. >> PayPal is welcome on the proviso I receive the full amount and you take >> care of any PayPal fees, if applicable. >> (This changes from one region to another) >> One way to avoid fees is to make sure your PayPal account has funds in >> it, and never draw upon other accounts (especially a credit card). >> >> Once these are gone, they are gone, and 130 units will be out there in 12 >> countries (so far). >> >> I do not normally monitor this email reflector, so please email me >> directly, if you want to obtain a ThunderBolt Display. >> >> >> Cheers, >> Adam, VK4GHZ >> ______________________________**_________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- [email protected] >> To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** >> mailman/listinfo/time-nuts<https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts> >> and follow the instructions there. >> ______________________________**_________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- [email protected] >> To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** >> mailman/listinfo/time-nuts<https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts> >> and follow the instructions there. >> >> > ______________________________**_________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- [email protected] > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/** > mailman/listinfo/time-nuts<https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts> > and follow the instructions there. > > _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- [email protected] To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
