Hi

If you are in the region that a low noise reference will apply to a low 
deviation precision standard, you are
deep into “small angle” territory. The higher order stuff simply does not 
apply. Rotate the spectrum by 1/f 
(FM -> PM) and calculate the level at 1 Hz …..end of story.  If when you are 
done you have phase noise
that is above -60 dbc in a 1Hz bandwidth above 1 Hz, go back and look at the 
small angle assumption. 60 db is still 
well inside the safe region so you still are likely to come back with “no 
problem”. 

Bob

> On Aug 1, 2016, at 3:01 PM, jimlux <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> On 8/1/16 8:18 AM, Attila Kinali wrote:
>> On Mon, 01 Aug 2016 14:36:28 +0000
>> "Poul-Henning Kamp" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>>> I need some formulas that relate EFC noise to the (added) phase noise of
>>>> an OCXO. It shouldn't be too difficult to come up with something. But
>>>> before I make some stupid mistakes, i wanted to ask whether someone
>>>> has already done this or has any references to papers? My google-foo
>>>> was not strong enough to find something.
>>> 
>>> Isn't that just FM modulation ?
>> 
>> Yes, it is. The problem is not the theory. The problem is to calculate
>> the correct values. I know i can figure it out, but if there are ready
>> to use formulas that are known to be correct, I rather use those.
> 
> Rather than deriving Bessel functions from first principles?
> 
> It's an interesting problem.. What you're really looking for is the spectrum 
> of the output with the FM modulation process acting on the spectrum of the 
> modulation. As noted by others, you need to know the bandwidth (and then 
> assume that it's "flat" within that bandwidth).
> 
> FM modulation isn't linear: that is, if I feed a 10 Hz and a 15 Hz signal 
> into a FM modulator, the spectrum I get out is not just the superposition of 
> the spectrum with just 10 Hz and just 15 Hz.
> 
> The spectrum of a single tone modulation is easy: it's the Bessel function of 
> the appropriate order with the appropriate scale factors.
> 
> Somewhere I've got a derivation of this: I was more concerned with phase 
> modulation (heartbeat motion and respiration motion both modulate the 
> reflected radar signal, so the spectrum you see is a combination of the two): 
> it isn't pretty in an analytical sense.  I wound up just doing numerical 
> simulation: you don't have to worry about whether you are violating the small 
> angle approximation, etc.
> 
> A couple of papers from the 60s that seem to be on point...
> 
> 
> http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0019995866800062
> 
> http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?arnumber=5245193
> 
> The Medhurst paper seems to be the one you want.
> "When  the  frequency   modulation  may  be  simulated   by  a  band  of
> random  noise  (as  in  multiplex  telephony  carrying  large  numbers of 
> channels),  the  spectra  of  the  distortion  products  can,  in principle,  
> be described  by  simple  algebraic  functions  of  the characteristics  
> (i.e.  the minimum  and  maximum  frequencies  and  the  r.m.s.  frequency  
> deviaion)  of  the modulating  noise  band."
> 
> 
> I note that "simple algebraic functions" take up the better part of a page.  
> Simulation looks more and more attractive.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>>                      Attila Kinali
>> 
> 
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