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Alex


On 8/31/2016 3:13 PM, Bob Stewart wrote:
Charles,
said: "So the answer is to bring crap to market because nobody will pay for 
something that actually does the job?"
I don't mean to cause offense, but is everything you don't like crap?  The 
reality is that whatever the market will bear is what determines what comes to 
market.  If you can find high quality goods on ebay that can be modified to fit 
your needs, then you win.  There is a substantial market that either cannot do 
those mods or would rather spend their time elsewhere.  So, what they're 
willing to pay is going to determine what's available for sale.

As an example, my cost for the Hammond box I use with my GPSDO, with finished 
end panels, is just under $60.  From that viewpoint, I shouldn't bother to make 
it, because a surplus unit can always be found for a cheaper price, as long as 
I'm willing to accept whatever unknown baggage (no schematics, unobtainium 
parts, no software, etc) comes with that surplus unit.
Bob
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       From: Charles Steinmetz <csteinm...@yandex.com>
  To: time-nuts@febo.com
  Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 5:02 PM
  Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Anybody want a Thunderbolt power supply?
Bob wrote:

OTOH, how many time-nuts have any interest in paying for a power supply that's 
up to time-nuts standards?  It's really not easy to bring a small product to 
market at a small price.  Even if you completely discount the personal effort 
of design, construction, and marketing, there's the issue of packaging.  
Without a package, it's just an amateur effort not worth considering.  With a 
package, such as a Hammond box, the price moves into new territory and nobody's 
interested.
So the answer is to bring crap to market because nobody will pay for
something that actually does the job?

IMO, the answer is to accept that the small, "little gizmo" providers
simply cannot fulfill this need efficiently.  I provided one solution,
using a surplus device from a large supplier and fifteen minutes of
soldering-iron time.  Even if you buy a box for it, it won't cost much
more than the $25 the OP proposed (and maybe not as much -- the ones
I've made have cost less than $25 each).  (And note that the OP did not
propose a complete, mains-to-Tbolt solution.  The proposed solution
assumed an existing mains-to-12v supply.)

That is part (the essential part, IMO) of the "little gizmo" provider's
business model -- find niche markets where things made at that scale
provide *better* performance than the alternatives.  There are lots of
areas where this can be done, but also very many more where it cannot.
The "little gizmo" provider is well-advised to learn how to tell the one
from the other.

Best regards,

Charles


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