Hello, The _generator_ is a reference 10MHz oscillator and the only calibration of the notch is to equal the oscillator freq. The basic idea of the message is its simplicity (as compared to other notch approaches). Best regards, Adrian
Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Orange network. Original Message From: Bob Camp Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2016 17:06 To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Reply To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] notch filter for close in phase noise measurement Hi Getting close to carrier with a notch filter involves a bit of calibration of the notch. It’s not imposible to do, but it is a needed step. The generator you use to do the measurement has to be pretty clean to get adequate data at low offsets. Bob > On Oct 2, 2016, at 3:56 AM, Adrian Rus <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello list, > For those of you interested in phase noise measurement without using > fancy/dedicated gear, here you are the way I have got. Disclaimer: as far as > I am concerned, all phase noise measurements use a technique to get rid of > carrier: quadrature mixing, interferometric [more on that, later] and notch > filters. > > The simplest way use notch filters, and the simplest notch filter can be > arranged with just 3 elements: > - one return loss bridge > - one quartz crystal > - one resistor > Hook the crystal on DUT port, the oscillator to be measured on IN port, the > SA [spectrum analyzer] on OUT port and the resistor on REF port. The resistor > have to be determined by trial and error to equal the series resistence of > the crystal at series resonance. From some -50dB up, can hook a potentiometer > in parallel to the resistor[s] and fine tune for the deepest notch. > It is easy to get notches as deep as -85-90dB. The filter is useful in close > in measurements not closer than 100-200Hz from carrier. Yes, between the > notch and SA you should insert a 40-60dB amplifier. The amplifier will not > degrade the flicker noise [as there is practical no carrier - see Rubiola > papers], but will set the noise floor. > The series resonance freq have to be selected from multiple crystals; I have > experienced series resonance in 10MHz crystals ranging from -300Hz to +100Hz > against 10MHz sharp, and have selected a crystal resonating at +25Hz at room > temperature. For exact fit you can either tune the oscillator @+25Hz, or > better, thermostat the crystal; thermostating the crystal will also tune the > notch to the desired freq. > My selected crystal was equilibrated by a series resistance of 14.7ohm. > Please note, the series resistance of other 11 crystals I have tested range > from 14ohm to tens of ohm. > Regards, > Adrian > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- [email protected] > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- [email protected] To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there. _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- [email protected] To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.
