Hi

Nothing is ever simple if you dig deep enough:

http://www.jensign.com/RG58U/

http://www.cliftonlaboratories.com/the_curious_case_of.htm

Bob

> On Jan 23, 2017, at 10:13 AM, REEVES Paul <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> Surely the impedance of the cable is only affected by the ratio of the inner 
> conductor and outer conductor diameters modified by the internal dielectric 
> constant, nothing to do with the frequency of operation. You might well have 
> problems converting the larger diameters down to a suitable size for the 
> connectors at the higher frequencies though....
> I thought that the HP cabling for the 8510 series VNAs was air spaced but I 
> might well be wrong - I just tried not to damage them :-)
> Regards,
> 
> Paul Reeves
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: time-nuts [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dr. David 
> Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
> Sent: 23 January 2017 13:26
> To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement
> Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Thermal effects on cables
> 
> On 13 January 2017 at 06:52, Ole Petter Ronningen <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi, all
>> 
>> The question of phase shifts in cables pops up every now and then on 
>> this list - I stumbled across a good table of measured phase shifts 
>> with temperature in different cable types in this paper:
>> http://www.ira.inaf.it/eratec/gothenburg/presentations/ERATEC_2014_
>> PresentationWSchaefer.pdf
>> that I though would be of interest to others.
>> 
>> 
> I've like to know how VNA cables compare. They are expensive enough - a 
> couple of cables around 600 mm long (24") for my VNA are over $5000. They are 
> much larger diameter than normal cables, but much more flexible too.
> The construction is obviously very different. Since mine are designed for use 
> to 26.5 GHz, the internal diameter of the outer conductor can be no more than 
> a couple of mm, yet the overall cable has a diameter of about 15 mm.
> 
> Dave
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