Hi

For NTP levels of accuracy Glonas is quite fine. Combining that with GPS should
get you a pretty good “time source” even under your extreme conditions.

Bob 
> On Oct 31, 2017, at 11:14 PM, MLewis <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> I'm stuck with a near ground level antenna site (~16" above grade?), with 
> half a sky view (thankfully to the SSE), less some low blocking buildings 
> with regular mutlipath, plus multipath bouncing off a taller building to the 
> SE that bounces sats from the NW at me from low over the Bering Strait. The 
> building I'm in is concrete with flat steel under each floor from the 
> construction method. As I write this I'm down to two green sats in LH.
> 
> A number of times a day, it will drop to one sat, and there's a few dropouts 
> a day where it goes to none of sufficient signal. How many times and for how 
> long varies by the day. It's worse when it's wet out, which it is right now. 
> If I lower the signal strength threshold, then I end up with tons of 
> multipath signals.
> 
> If I can ever get a bios update to my NEO-M8T, then I'll have GAL in the mix 
> and should experience fewer dropouts, potentially none.
> 
> An RTC that +/- 3 PPM over 24 hours would be great for holdovers of one to 20 
> minutes.
> 
> While I wrote this, LH was typically showing two or three green sats, once up 
> to five and once down to one. And I just hit a dropout... for a minute and a 
> half; the one remaining green sat went behind the corner of the building's 
> entrance canopy, then back out.
> 
> 
> On 31/10/2017 10:30 PM, Bob kb8tq wrote:
>> Hi
>> 
>> Under what conditions would you expect to loose GPS? I seem to be able to
>> do just fine sitting in an armchair here in the family room. That’s hardly a
>> fancy setup.
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
>>> On Oct 31, 2017, at 10:27 PM, MLewis <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm intending to add a "precision" (well, precision to the Pi world) RTC to 
>>> my Pi 3 to use for a holdover source when it hasn't got PPS from the GPS 
>>> module.
>>> 
>>> On 31/10/2017 10:04 PM, Chris Caudle wrote:
>>>> On Tue, October 31, 2017 7:19 pm, MLewis wrote:
>>>>> ...the "better" quality RTCs seem to be DS3231 based
>>>>> How does one translate that into an expected 24 hour holdover?
>>>> For the RTC, or for an NTP server?  If the NTP server is running it will
>>>> not make a difference, modern operating systems do not use the RTC for the
>>>> system clock, only to get close to the correct time at startup.
>>>> 
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