On 2/4/20 4:23 PM, AC0XU (Jim) wrote:
Time Nuts-

I recently purchased (Ebay) a GPSDO from an overseas manufacturer. This is a 
new item and the Ebay description seemed quite encouraging. Having had one in 
the lab for several weeks what I observe is that:

1) ADEV for short to medium durations (Tau <1,000 sec) is comparable to or 
better than other GPSDOs in my lab. Not as good as the best undisciplined 
oscillators in my collection, as expected, but no problem here.

2) ADEV for longer durations (Tau>10,000 sec) is considerably worse than other 
GPSDOs and Cesiums in my lab. I measure  well over 1E-11 at tau=100,000 sec for 
the new unit. This is my problem with it. As far as I can see, it  behaves like it 
is not actually locked to GPS.

I queried the vendor about the apparent lack of synchronization with GPS and 
this was his response.

"I understand everything. When constructing this device, I was guided by the 
need to get a good 100 MHz and 10 MHz signal, which will be maintained with an 
accuracy better than 0.1 ppb throughout its life. I used the GPS signal to correct 
the frequency of the main OCXO as the elements ages. I tried to ensure that the 
frequent loss of GPS signal and its quality did not affect the parameters of OCXO 
itself. For this reason, the adaptive algorithm is very delicate in the final phase.
The frequency correction program causes it to stop regulating OCXO in some 
cases.
This happens when:

1. OCXO will achieve accuracy of 0.01 ppb.
2. No GPS signal.

The control system is temporarily frozen when the frequency accuracy of 0.01 ppb is 
reached. Therefore, ADEV for T> 1000 seconds resembles the typical behavior of OCXO 
during free operation. These parameters do not change when the GPS signal appears 
suddenly after a long absence. When constructing the device, it was assumed that all 
stability will be dominated by OCXO, and a value better than 0.01 ppb is not needed in 
telecommunications applications. I would add that the value of 1E-13 has never been a 
goal to achieve, especially due to the additional costs. Maybe if I gave up the 100 MHz 
section, I could do it for the price."

It surprised and dismayed me that large-tau behavior is so poor in a GPSDO. The 
several other GPSDOs in my lab all have ADEV around 1E-13 at 100,000 secs 
(based on a mass assessment of the GPSDOs and cesium oscillators).  It makes me 
wonder what the point was in adding the GPS receiver to this device. Is there 
something that I am not understanding?


They were interested in compensating for aging to 1E-11, and good ADEV in short time, but not large tau ADEV. So they have a solution that met their requirements. You'd need the GPS receiver to be able to measure the aging and compensate it.

For instance, a Wenzel Streamline 10MHz OCXO has a aging spec of 5E-10/day - that wouldn't meet his 0.01ppb requirement, but with a GPS, they can meet that.

This is a typical kind of spec, for what it's worth. There are a lot of applications where you need good long term accuracy (so you can acquire the signal without a-priori knowledge), but you're not making long term measurements.

It's a lower accuracy application, but in satellite downlinks, there's often a requirement that the downlink frequency be known to much better than 1ppm, so a TCXO won't get you there. But you don't want to spend the power on an OCXO with good aging properties. So you use a VCTCXO and some "other reference" (like GPS or a CSAC) to periodically measure your TCXO and adjust it.



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