What grade of receiver will this thing NOT break the Garmin stack in our flying 
club’s plane is a heck of a lot better than consumer grade GNSS but we’ll be 
line of sight to the transmitters

Sorry I miscopied the power specs but DbW is even worse.  I was visualizing 
microcells not full power base stations 

There is no doubt the FCC has been overrun by kleptocrats of late but that goes 
back to Chairman Powell.

I dont know how this was authorized as the carriers are collectively sitting on 
thousands of GHz of allocated bandwidth in the existing bands which they refuse 
to deploy.    And they are poaching in the Wifi/ISM bands as well with LAA 
which once it comes up makes WiFi useless.  So there is no basis in reality for 
polluting a space based service due to a ‘shortage’ of spectrum.

US Govt needs to implement a use it or lose it policy on cell spectrum. Ie must 
deploy within 2 years or spectrum reverts back to US Govt.   or better yet.  
Refund the purchase of spectrum and rent it out.



On Apr 18, 2020, at 7:31 AM, bill <[email protected]> wrote:

Hi,
This is going to affect INMARSAT and Iridium satellite phone service as well.  
Does anyone know anything about this?

As I see it, putting such transmitters into operation will render consumer 
grade GNSS receivers unusable.  High-end survey and
reference receiving systems might have to be upgraded with sharper filtering 
(much more costly and bulky) to maintain reliability.
If Ligado transmitter spurious emission requirements at band edge will have to 
meet unrealistic requirements to prevent interference
with GNSS.  L-band satphone service could be completely cooked.

I guess the FCC suffers from being co-opted by the current crop of kleptocrats 
and incompetents that affect other branches of government as well..and not just 
in the USA!
Cheers,
Bill


> On 18.04.20 11:37, Dave B via time-nuts wrote:
> Hi.
> 
> Reading that web page, they are talking dBW levels, not dBm levels.
> Hopefully that is a typo, as 0dBW is of course 1000 times more than 0dBm.
> 
> 
> To quote from the page:-
> 
> The base-station power reduction is "from 32dBW to 9.8dBW," and Ligado
> committed to a 23MHz "guard-band using its own licensed spectrum to
> further separate its terrestrial base station transmissions from
> neighboring operation," the FCC said.
> 
> 32dBW if I'm not mistaken, is some 1500W !   9.8dBW is just under 10W.
> (Maybe someone costed the potential electric bill per site?)
> 
> 
> dBW is a common spec' in licensing forms, certainly over hear.
> 
> Even so, 9.8dBW from a femtocell (like a plug in wall wart sized thing)
> is going to really anger the tinfoil hat brigade.
> 
> 
> But anyway, what the hell is the point of a satellite based system, if
> you're going to pollute the downlink frequencies.  Even more so, when
> said satellite reception systems are working with signal levels close to
> the ambient noise anyway.
> 
> That, and isn't 5G intended for (among other things) mobile devices?
> That probably will be trying to use GPS etc as well.   Shoot in own foot
> time I think.
> 
> 
> Regards.
> 
> Dave B.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 18/04/2020 00:56, [email protected] wrote:
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2020 13:37:26 -0400
>> From: Scott McGrath <[email protected]>
>> To: [email protected]
>> Cc: Mike Rogers <[email protected]>
>> Subject: [time-nuts] LightSquared is back now called Ligado
>> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii
>> 
>> Supposedly lowering Tx power on terrestrial network from +23 DBm to +9.8 DBm 
>> will make everything better.  Ajit Pai is listening only to carriers and 
>> ignoring DoD who is stating it will significantly degrade and/or make 
>> useless the GPS system.
>> 
>>  Not to mention ADS-B which was installed at great expense by the private 
>> and commercial aviation systems. And is totally dependent on the GPS 
>> segments most affected by Ligado
>> 
>> Read and weep
>> 
>> https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/04/fcc-to-approve-5g-network-despite-military-saying-it-will-harm-gps/

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