On 12/10/21 12:31 PM, Brooke Clarke via time-nuts wrote:
Hi Hal:

There has been some recent research into illusions related to sight and sound.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McGurk_effect - related to speech
and search "audio optical illusion"

I like a crisp "tick" for clock human synchronization.

I wonder why there has not been more done with military "Have Quick" for time synchronization?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAVE_QUICK

HAVE QUICK was a very early hopping spread spectrum system and was long since superseded by SINCGARS and other systems in the 1980s.  I don't know that it is a "source" of time.

There was a whole set of systems for loading "time" into these frequency hopping systems, since all manner of their synchronization behavior depended on time.  And in usual DoD/NATO fashion, forward and backward compatibility was often required, so you'd have a way to sync any two random radios in a battlefield situation.  Cryptographic keying is also often time based, as are frequency nets (local interference, keeping the other guy guessing, or propagation changes)

Synchronization is the "hard part" of most spread spectrum systems both Direct Sequence (PN codes) and Frequency Hopping, and that's where most of the classified stuff is - how do you synchronize reliably, how do you prevent the synchronization from being spoofed or jammed. A naive FH approach is to have a "hailing channel" and the first person transmits there, and the other person hears it, listens to a sync pattern, and then commence hopping together. This works for point to point between two stations, but doesn't work very well when you have multiple stations, not all of which can hear each other.

GPS would have been a godsend back then (although it's not very good from an Anti Jam standpoint).


Dixon, in the seminal tome "Spread Spectrum Systems" kind of makes an offhand comment that synchronization is the challenging part, and then moves on "assuming we have synchronized".


It's been a part of the PLGR and DAGR GPS receivers and I expect also for the military embedded versions for a long time.
https://prc68.com/I/PLGR.shtml#Time
https://prc68.com/I/DAGR.shtml#HQ1PPS
Also things like the O-1814/GRC-206 Reference Frequency Rb Oscillator make us of it.
https://prc68.com/I/O1814.shtml

I don't know that they make use of it, rather, they can provide sync TO a HAVE QUICK radio.

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