On Fri, Aug 10, 2007 at 09:00:41AM -0400, Tim Shoppa wrote:

||  Zweije writes:
||  > I've been rotated in several times and I have observed the
||  > onslaught of ttnet on my time server.  The load at such times
||  > is around 100 queries per second according to ntpdc -n -c monlist
||  > <http://www.zweije.nl.eu.org/ntp/>, with around 60-80 of them from ttnet.
||  > Despite only having 500kbit upstream, I observed no problems.  And I
||  > shouldn't, because it's only 10% of the bandwidth.
||
||  Silly question from someone in the US who has not
||  personally observed the TTN load:
||
||  Is that 100 queries per second for a whole hour or is it bursty
||  in some other pattern?

The burst load is about 100 queries each second.  The regular load is
3-5 queries each second.

About 80 queries per second is caused by clients with an update interval
of 1 second, IIRC (I'm writing this from memory). The remainder is from
more than 20 clients with intervals of more than 1 second.

Consequently, if you could drop these 80 queries per second, the load
would drop to 20 queries per second.

I'm not absolutely sure whether ttnet cause a large fraction of those
1-second-interval queries, but I am sure they represent a major number
of the clients.

||  Is it 100 clients hitting once a second, or is it 1000000
||  clients each hitting every 1024 seconds, or something
||  in between?

It's something in between.  A few clients cause most of the queries.
Check the URL above.

On Fri, Aug 10, 2007 at 03:12:05PM +0200, Maurice Janssen wrote:

||  On Friday, August 10, 2007 at 09:00:41 -0400, Tim  Shoppa wrote:
||  >Zweije writes:
||  >> Now my ADSL set is setup in that it has no router [...]
||  >> There is no address translation
||  >
||  >I think the specific thing here is not whether it's a router or not,
||  >or whether the modem is internal or not, but address translation
||  >being turned on.

Because address translation uses limited memory to store state, and
breaks when memory is exhausted.

||  Agreed.  I have an external ADSL modem + router, no NAT and haven't had
||  any problems with the spikes.  They typically use about 50 kbit/s of
||  bandwidth, which isn't that much.

Exactly.

And that 50 kbit/second agrees very nicely with 100 queries per second,
at ~50 bytes = ~500 bits per query.

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