Hi Rick,
The problem I see with ostracizing "bad"
students is that by putting them all together into one
more "rigid: institution, they lack models of good
conduct. Isn't this what happens with
jails?puttingting criminals with other criminals, they
sure don't seem to learn how toabiding-obiding
citizens.
This being said, I think society as a whole needs to
review it's views on responsibility. We all have
rights (especially youth) but no responsibilities. I
could see a chart of human rights tagged with a chart
of human responsibilities. And we should be held to
it. Too many peothe believe thw world owes them
everythithemwithout htem having to give back in
return.
Anyhow, this is a very brief summary of how I view
things...
Cheers!
PS: Regarding Sylvestrn's message about France, well,
as usual, there are no sources, no context, no
substance... So, until I actually get those, I just
ignore the message...
Jean-Marc
--- Rick Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >
Michael Sylvester wrote:
>
> > The French government has decided that they have
> had it
> > with unruly,violent and disruptive students in the
> public
> > schools.The pending legislation is that any
> student who
> > presents a problem in class will be jailed. And
> the parent
> > will have to bail the student out. In addition a
> parent of a
> > disruptive student may lose some of the allocated
> welfare benefits.
>
> As I haven't been able to find information about
> the legislation
> on the Inet or in any of the news sources I use,
> just a couple
> questions:
>
> 1) Will the legislation mandate jailing of _all_
> disruptive
> students, or only those students who--via their
> disruptive behavior--are
> violating other laws (i.e., assault, defacing
> property, vandalism,
> etc.)?
>
> 2) What specific offenses will the students be
> charged with by
> the police?
>
> Clearly, if the disruptive behavior involves
> violation of other
> laws currently in force, or involves the violation
> of the rights of
> others (i.e., hate crimes, assault, etc.), the act
> of jailing them
> simply becomes one of enforcement and "cracking
> down" on youth
> offenders. On the other hand, if it involves such
> actions as
> inappropriate classroom behavior (talking back to
> the instructor,
> refusal to participate in activities, etc.) then the
> legislation is
> simply creating a new form of status
> crime--something that the US is
> famous for (i.e., truancy, curfew violation, etc.)
> and simply represents
> another means of restricting the rights of youths.
>
> As far as holding the parents responsible, on the
> other hand,
> it's about time that _someone_ was held responsible
> for the behavior of
> disruptive kids. Ideally (yes, this is hard-nosed)
> disruptive kids
> should be removed from the traditional classrooms
> and schools and should
> be required to attend alternative schools where more
> rigid forms of
> discipline (and less privileges) are available.
> Jailing them seems
> excessive--removing them from an environment where
> they are preventing
> other students from obtaining the maximum
> educational benefits available
> to them, on the other hand, certainly is reasonable.
>
> Rick
>
>
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Jean-Marc Perreault
Arts & Sciences
Yukon College
Whitehorse, Yukon
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