We know as behavioral scientists that a more effective way to manage disruptive behavior would be to focus on what the kids should be doing and positively reinforce desirable behavior!
These kids may just emit more aggressive behavior, emotional behavior, and emit the undesired behavior when the punisher is not around. Cheers! Marcie At 01:44 PM 12/4/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Rick, > The problem I see with ostracizing "bad" >students is that by putting them all together into one >more "rigid: institution, they lack models of good >conduct. Isn't this what happens with >jails?puttingting criminals with other criminals, they >sure don't seem to learn how toabiding-obiding >citizens. > >This being said, I think society as a whole needs to >review it's views on responsibility. We all have >rights (especially youth) but no responsibilities. I >could see a chart of human rights tagged with a chart >of human responsibilities. And we should be held to >it. Too many peothe believe thw world owes them >everythithemwithout htem having to give back in >return. > >Anyhow, this is a very brief summary of how I view >things... > >Cheers! > >PS: Regarding Sylvestrn's message about France, well, >as usual, there are no sources, no context, no >substance... So, until I actually get those, I just >ignore the message... > > >Jean-Marc > > > > > --- Rick Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Michael Sylvester wrote: >> >> > The French government has decided that they have >> had it >> > with unruly,violent and disruptive students in the >> public >> > schools.The pending legislation is that any >> student who >> > presents a problem in class will be jailed. And >> the parent >> > will have to bail the student out. In addition a >> parent of a >> > disruptive student may lose some of the allocated >> welfare benefits. >> >> As I haven't been able to find information about >> the legislation >> on the Inet or in any of the news sources I use, >> just a couple >> questions: >> >> 1) Will the legislation mandate jailing of _all_ >> disruptive >> students, or only those students who--via their >> disruptive behavior--are >> violating other laws (i.e., assault, defacing >> property, vandalism, >> etc.)? >> >> 2) What specific offenses will the students be >> charged with by >> the police? >> >> Clearly, if the disruptive behavior involves >> violation of other >> laws currently in force, or involves the violation >> of the rights of >> others (i.e., hate crimes, assault, etc.), the act >> of jailing them >> simply becomes one of enforcement and "cracking >> down" on youth >> offenders. On the other hand, if it involves such >> actions as >> inappropriate classroom behavior (talking back to >> the instructor, >> refusal to participate in activities, etc.) then the >> legislation is >> simply creating a new form of status >> crime--something that the US is >> famous for (i.e., truancy, curfew violation, etc.) >> and simply represents >> another means of restricting the rights of youths. >> >> As far as holding the parents responsible, on the >> other hand, >> it's about time that _someone_ was held responsible >> for the behavior of >> disruptive kids. Ideally (yes, this is hard-nosed) >> disruptive kids >> should be removed from the traditional classrooms >> and schools and should >> be required to attend alternative schools where more >> rigid forms of >> discipline (and less privileges) are available. >> Jailing them seems >> excessive--removing them from an environment where >> they are preventing >> other students from obtaining the maximum >> educational benefits available >> to them, on the other hand, certainly is reasonable. >> >> Rick >> >> >> --- >> You are currently subscribed to tips as: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > >===== >Jean-Marc Perreault >Arts & Sciences >Yukon College >Whitehorse, Yukon >867-668-8867 > >______________________________________________________________________ >Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca > >--- >You are currently subscribed to tips as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Marcie N. Desrochers, Ph.D., BCBA Manager of BEHAV-AN Discussion Group Associate Professor Department of Psychology 66 George Street College of Charleston Charleston, SC 29424 (843)953-3840 FAX: (843)953-7151 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cofc.edu/~marcie Education is not a preparation to life; education is life itself." - John Dewey --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
