This is my last comment on this. You have made my point too clearly. Where in anything I have written to you or about you have I said that I think your opinions represent an "uninformed, frivolous, inexperienced, vaccuous, dreamy, and isolated inductive leap." And you claim we misread what you write. Louis, there is no point in disagreeing with you.
Gary J. Klatsky, Ph. D. Department of Psychology [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oswego State University (SUNY) http://www.oswego.edu/~klatsky 7060 State Hwy 104W Voice: (315) 312-3474 Oswego, NY 13126 Fax: (315) 312-6330 All of us who are concerned for peace and triumph of reason and justice must be keenly aware how small an influence reason and honest good will exert upon events in the political field. Albert Einstein -----Original Message----- From: Louis_Schmier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 4:22 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences Subject: RE: Not Sure What to Call This Message Gary, I can truly appreciate that you all are psychologists with a scientific training and that I am a historian with a social science and humanity training (that was only after I blew my pre-med program one semester with four F's and an A), I am, however, well versed in the sciences having had a minor in the history and philosophy of science. And that is not cut and dry as I recollect there was a discussion, a vigorous discussion, a while back about whether psychology was a "hard" science or a "social" science. It's a discussion that traces itself back to the Enlightenment of the 18th century when the discipline was truly born. And heck, on my campus, the Pysch department is in the School of Education almost as a service department because of political decisions made decades ago that took it out of A & S. Anyway, there is a misunderstanding. I have been in this "business" of education virtually all my life. Since I went to kindergarten way back in 1946, I have been in school in one capacity or another without a break. I wholeheartedly agree, as that Yiddish saying goes, a "for instance" is not proof. When, however, I relate a story of a particular student or a particular colleague or describe a particular event or talk of myself, or discuss a priciple of teaching method or share an aspect of my educational philosophy, do not think I am not taking an uninformed, frivolous, inexperienced, vaccuous, dreamy, and isolated inductive leap. Whether I explicate or infer, I see in that person and/or incident an incapsulation, evidence of, a conclusion about, a raising of a question about, an issue drawn from years of observations and experiences and reflections drawn, in turn, from endless reading of student journals, endless observation, endless reflection and contemplation, endless listening, countless small talks, endless inter-actions with colleagues and students on my campus, on the internet, at conferences, etc. But, even if it was otherwise, a story serves, as Marcus Aurelius observed, a very important purpose. Even a single event is something of that proverbial step which is a critical part of a thousand mile journey. It reveals the human condition with which both of our disciplines are concerned and reminds each of us of possibilities and potentials of viewing ourselves and others in different and deeper ways. Stories are a way of sharing and teaching and learning. So, maybe being an active participant on this list, I, at least, serve the valuable purpose of demonstrating that there are indeed alternative and legitimate ways of looking at other people, oneself, surroundings in both a personal and professional context. Make it a good day. --Louis-- Louis Schmier www.therandomthoughts.com Department of History www.halcyon.com/arborhts/louis.html Valdosta State University Valdosta, Georgia 31698 /~\ /\ /\ (229-333-5947) /^\ / \ / /~ \ /~\__/\ / \__/ \/ / /\ /~ \ /\/\-/ /^\___\______\_______/__/_______/^\ -_~ / "If you want to climb mountains, \ /^\ _ _ / don't practice on mole hills" -\____ --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
