On 4 Nov 2003, David Myers wrote:

> In response to Jim's question about methodology of the Robert Spitzer
> survey . . .
> 
 I posed a synopsis and some
> reflections at http://davidmyers.org/sexorient/Spitzer.html

There were some interesting topics on TIPS recently that I wanted to 
respond to but didn't have the time until now. This is one of them. 

It's not easy to  know what to believe on such a highly-politicized 
issue, when it appears that almost everyone involved has an agenda 
along with the data they provide. David Myers' fine essay on the 
topic provides a thoughtful summary of what Spitzer actually found 
and what its significance is. I want to add that Spitzer's work and 
commentary on it has just now hit print in the Archives of Sexual 
Behavior. Using the usual tricks for getting e-mail addresses,  
starting with PubMed, I'm sure that reprints are obtainable. I list 
the titles below in case anyone wants to get them. 

Second, I have my own observation to make. Anecdotes aren't evidence 
in favour of a theory, but they can be used as counter-examples to 
sink one. I've been impressed by some high-profile cases where the 
gay individuals involved were highly motivated to change and to stay 
changed, and announced their success triumphantly and with 
considerable publicity.  This makes their ultimate failure 
particularly noteworthy. 

One example is Michael Johnston, who founded "National  Coming Out of 
Homosexuality Day" and was featured in a national advertising 
campaign in newspapers and on TV to convince people that homosexuals 
can change. According to the Washington Blade (at
http://www.washblade.com/2003/8-1/news/breaking/exgay.cfm), his 
mother declared in these advertisements,  "My son Michael found out 
the truth--he could walk away from homosexuality. But he found out 
too late--he has AIDS". Yet Johnston admitted that he subsequently 
had a six-month homosexual affair without revealing that he had AIDS.

Another mentioned in the same article is John Paulk, described in 
another article (www.advocate.com/html/stories/825/825_paulk.asp) as 
the "poster boy of the religious right's "ex-gay movement", and 
"chairman of the North American board of Exodus International, the ex-
gay ministries group". Yet, as reported in both articles, he was 
subsequently found in attendance at a gay bar in Washington.

So if such individuals, prominently promoted as inspiring examples 
that gays can change, ultimately fail, how likely is it that those 
less in the public eye and less motivated to change could succeed?

Stephen

These are the promised titles, all in the October issue (vol. 32, no. 
5, 2003) of  the _Archives of Sexual Behavior_.

Zucker, K. The politics and science of "reparative therapy"

Spitzer, R. Can some gay men and lesbians change their sexual 
orientation? 200 participants reporting a change from homosexual to 
hjeterosexual orientation.

Peer commentary on Spitzer (2003) [many contributors]

Spitzer, R. Reply: Study results should not be dismissed and justify 
further research on the efficacy of sexual reorientation therapy. 
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