Re: Suicide / Antidepressant

[Bill Scott]

Title: Re: Suicide / Antidepressant

Addendum,   I would also like to add that in regard to the message that I criticized, Dr. Thomas AM Kramer claimed no drug company connections, even though he clearly has many and has disclosed them in other venues when he has been forced to do so. These kinds of messages, such as the one that was dropped into our group to which I responded, are messages of public opinion control. Within this category, it seems, authors need not  make any disclosure if they are not reporting their own research. I would describe them as very transparently being drug company propoganda. As I mentioned in my original response, I would not be surprised if that particular message was ghost written by a pharmaceutical representative. I think this is especially likely given Dr. Kramer's more balanced (yet still pro-drug company) articles such as the one quoted by Allen Esterson. Regardless of Dr. Kramer's motives or authorship, "his" arguments in the posting to which I responded are open to both logical and empirical refutation. No one here has argued against my actual refutations which are much more important.   Bill Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Brandon To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2004 3:41 PM Subject: Re: Suicide / Antidepressant At 11:44 AM -0400 4/25/04, Bill Scott wrote: Okay, Allen, you make me do my homework. Regarding the issues below, this is from Medscape: Go to one of Thomas AM Kramer's CME articles at medscape such as: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/420839 Then click on "disclosures" at the top of the page. You will find the following. Disclosure: Thomas Kramer, MD, has disclosed that he receives funding for clinical grants from Pfizer, Eli Lilly, Abbott, and Janssen. He holds consulting agreements with Pfizer, Eli Lilly, Glaxo, and Wyeth-Ayerst. . Now I am no longer just highly suspicious that he is well funded by the drug companies, I "am sure". Bill-- The real challenge would be to find a pharmacologist (psych or otherwise) who has not (at least indirectly) received some form of support from the big pharm. -- * PAUL K. BRANDON                    [EMAIL PROTECTED]  * * Psychology Dept               Minnesota State University  * * 23 Armstrong Hall, Mankato, MN 56001     ph 507-389-6217  * *        http://www.mnsu.edu/dept/psych/welcome.html        * --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]