I'm only going to reply to the first part of the last Louis message because the original post and my reply were sent to the list. The rest of Louis' response I'll respond to him only since I'm sure most people on the list really aren't interested.
On 23 Oct, 2004, at 13:17, louis schmier wrote:


Bob, I'll quote you: "Is education ever going to be valued again for its own
sake?" Did we really sign up to teach high school? (Not that I don't
value high school educators! I just don't think I have the stamina to
do it.)" If I misunderstood you, and you were not bemoaning either the loss
of a past mythical golden age or the watering down of higher education, I
apologize.


Louis,

The statement that you quoted above was not part of my message that you responded to. I've got a hard copy of my message in my hand and I never said it -- sort of like a lot of things that one party or the other is accusing the other party of saying when, in fact they never did, or it was taken out of context. In any case, I never said it.

Dr. Bob Wildlbood
Lecturer in Psychology
Indiana University Kokomo
Kokomo, IN  56904-9003
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