I have been waiting for someone else to clarify the confusion started by MS's latest muddying of the waters. Without looking up the details, it goes like this: Each older brother increases the probability of being gay (accepting his figures for now) by 20% (so it is 20% higher than, say 2%--don't start a big maggilla (sp?)about what the rate is!!). Only when a man has about 10 older brothers does the probability approach 50% of being gay.  (Even so, that is quite an interesting finding.)
    don
    Donald McBurney

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On 15 Mar 2006 at 13:12, michael sylvester wrote:

  
According to recent research,a person's chances of being gay is a
function of the amount of older brothers one has.So a guy with one
older brother has a 20% chance,two older brothers 40%, and three older
brothers 60% chance.Apparently after the conception of the first
boy,the womb maintains a memory.And is directed towards producing a
female,but if another male is born, feminizing factors interact to
produce gay behavior. 
    

I don't understand what all the fuss is about. The fraternal birth order 
effect is a solid, well-established finding. As I mentioned in one of my 
recent posts (and as Dennis Goff also pointed out), the reseach was 
discussed on that _60 Minutes_ programme. However, while Dennis cited the 
work of Anthony Bogaert, I mentioned Ray Blanchard. Actually both should 
be credited as co-authors.

Michael's figures don't seem too far off. Blanchard and Bogaert (1996) 
say that each additional older brother increases the odds of 
homosexuality by 33%. And "womb memory", as I understand it, is pretty 
much what B & B are arguing, although what is remembered, they 
hypothesize, is an immune reaction against male antigens. 

Also, while Blanchard was at the Clarke Institute of Psychiatry when 
first reporting on this, as I said in my previous post, it seems it's now 
called the CAMH (Centre for Addiction and Mental Health) after some 
complicated mergers of institutions. It's affiliated with the University 
of Toronto.

I'm just disappointed we haven't heard from Paul Okami on the topic, as 
he's undoubtedly the most qualified on the subject on this list.

Stephen

Blanchard R, Bogaert AF (1996).  	Homosexuality in men and number of 
older brothers. Am J Psychiatry, 153(1):27-31.

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