On 26 September Chris Green wrote [snip]:
> ... I was teaching a history of psychology 
> course in one of Canada's premier acdemic institutions a few years ago,
> starting with Ancient Greece. As I was laying in basic backgound, I was
> puzzled by the blank stares. It gradually dawned on me that most of the
> students had no idea where Greece was. So the following week I gave them
> a map of modern Europe including the country boundaries and asked them 
> to fill in the names of the countries. The avg. score was between 3 and
> 4 (out of over 20). Now, the fact that some couldn't get Bulgaria or 
> Romania didn't surprise me. But that nearly no one could get even 
> Germany came as a shock. England and Italy were the only really sure 
> bets. France and Spain were at around 50%. Everything else was much 
> lower...

Chris, Some clarification please. When you say that "England" was
identified on the map of Europe, do you actually mean that Britain (i.e.,
England, Wales and Scotland) was 'identified' as "England"? -:)

Did most of the students exclude Ireland from "England"?

Allen Esterson
Former lecturer, Science Department
Southwark College, London
http://www.esterson.org/

> Yes, it's the case all over. I was teaching a history of psychology 
> course in one of Canada's premier acdemic institutions a few years ago,
> starting with Ancient Greece. As I was laying in basic backgound, I was
> puzzled by the blank stares. It gradually dawned on me that most of the
> students had no idea where Greece was. So the following week I gave them
> a map of modern Europe including the country boundaries and asked them 
> to fill in the names of the countries. The avg. score was between 3 and
> 4 (out of over 20). Now, the fact that some couldn't get Bulgaria or 
> Romania didn't surprise me. But that nearly no one could get even 
> Germany came as a shock. England and Italy were the only really sure 
> bets. France and Spain were at around 50%. Everything else was much 
> lower.

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Tue, 26 Sep 2006 15:17:18 -0400
Author: "Christopher D. Green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Spellings Releases Plan for Higher Ed
> Michael Scoles wrote:
> 
> >      1) Most students in my undergraduate statistics class has had 
> > some college-level math class.  On their first exam, which I had them
> > take without a calculator, over one-fourth of them could not get the 
> > mean of 4 numbers, because the sum was 26!  (Five of them said 6.2, 
> > and one admitted that she new it was a little over 6, but didn't know
> > what to do with the, "2 that was left over.")
> 
> etc...
> 
> Yes, it's the case all over. I was teaching a history of psychology 
> course in one of Canada's premier acdemic institutions a few years ago,
> starting with Ancient Greece. As I was laying in basic backgound, I was
> puzzled by the blank stares. It gradually dawned on me that most of the
> students had no idea where Greece was. So the following week I gave them
> a map of modern Europe including the country boundaries and asked them 
> to fill in the names of the countries. The avg. score was between 3 and
> 4 (out of over 20). Now, the fact that some couldn't get Bulgaria or 
> Romania didn't surprise me. But that nearly no one could get even 
> Germany came as a shock. England and Italy were the only really sure 
> bets. France and Spain were at around 50%. Everything else was much 
> lower. The little piece of Turkey sticking in from the right side of the
> map was often labelled India or China (and we wonder why the peoples of
> Central Asia despise us so).
> 
> > But then, I'm an advocate for charter schools, so my opinion is suspect.
> >  
> 
> Yes, especially considering that charter school do not increase 
> students' academic performance: 
> http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/education/july-dec04/charter_8-18.html
> (but do enhance the ability of parents to strongly constrain the kinds 
> of intellectual materials to which their children are exposed).
> 
> -- 
> Christopher D. Green
> Department of Psychology
> York University
> Toronto, ON M3J 1P3
> Canada
> 
> 416-736-5115 ex. 66164
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.yorku.ca/christo
> =============================

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