This is the same site about which Annette and I commented. As I said in my
post, it is unlikely that more definitive research than this exists out
there, but given that I wrote about De May's version of the Genovese affair
in a rough draft of a publication, I've been trying off and on for the past
year to find more info.
De May's version seems far better researched than the original NY Times
article which is virtually the only source for the popular version of this
crime.
Like Annette, I don't question that a bystander effect exists or that
Genovese was murdered, but the popular version seems utterly unlikely to me
and De May's version has verisimilitude.
Like Allen, I'd like to hear from others after they visit De May's site.
Paul
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From: "Allen Esterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)"
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Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 5:42 AM
Subject: [tips] Re: info on kitty genovese
What comes around goes around (even occasionally on TIPS) - second time
this week! From TIPS 3 March 2004:
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg09231.html
Re: Kitty Genovese revisited
Allen Esterson
Wed, 03 Mar 2004 09:51:31 -0800
By strange coincidence I've had a synchronistic visitation. Michael
Sylvester's posting on Kitty Genovese came but a couple of days after a
friend of mine sent me an e-mail about the same subject. (He had discussed
the incident with me a couple of weeks back in relation to a psychological
topic he is engaged in writing about.)Anyway, it turns out that there's a
website that challenges some of the supposed facts about the incident:
"What you think you know about the Kitty Genovese case might not be true."
http://www.oldkewgardens.com/
I hope some TIPSters (yes, you Stephen!) will visit the site and give us
your views. I know very little about the incident, and would be interested
to know what people think about the points made there.
Allen Esterson
Former lecturer, Science Department
Southwark College, London
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.human-nature.com/esterson/index.html
http://www.butterfliesandwheels.com/articleprint.php?num=10
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Sat, 7 Jul 2007 10:03:43 -0400
Author: "Paul Okami" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: info on kitty genovese
I came across this as well some time ago. Although I have no data (and
I'm
fairly sure none exists) it positively reeks of verisimilitude. As a New
Yorker who grew up during the 1960s, I simply cannot imagine the event
occurring as popularly told.
Paul
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Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 9:34 AM
Subject: [tips] info on kitty genovese
> Good morning and sorry for the cross-posting
>
> I have come across this website:
> http://www.oldkewgardens.com/ss-nytimes-3.html
>
> The author suggests that the facts as reported in the NYTimes and used
> by
> Latane and Darling to formulate the background of their work on
> bystander
> apathy, are completely distorted.
>
> This would not take away from the studies and effects that L&D
> demonstrated but calls into question what happened to KG.
>
> Does anyone on this list have any knowledge of the accuracy of (1) the
> NYTimes article, or (2) the accuracy of this link?
>
> Thanks
>
> Annette
>
> Annette Kujawski Taylor, Ph.D.
> Professor of Psychology
> University of San Diego
> 5998 Alcala Park
> San Diego, CA 92110
> 619-260-4006
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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