Paul said: "But when physicists actually use the theory, it's the mathematical 
structure that they use, not the verbal conceptualization."

Paul- I agree - they are using what is represented by the mathematical 
structure. But I think what some would argue is that the math is a 
*representation* in non-linguistic but still codified human terms of that which 
the theory actually represents (the ding an sich of it). In other words, the 
theory IS limited and circular in a sense. But the truth it represents (i.e., 
the Science as opposed to the science) is not using the mathematical structure 
(naw- I'm not buying it either!). :) Certainly not the argument of a 
mathematician!! I think the argument confuses theoretical structure and 
mathematical *coding* of it- but it is fun to think about it and try to wiggle 
oneself out of the circle, as it were. My students actually love the task so 
long as there isn't a right answer and I stick to grading how well the 
construct they argument(s). They are truly proud that they figured out this 
kind of argument. Then you point out that they just logically proved (not the 
same as we use the word commonly) that their own argument is wrong. :)
Tim

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Timothy O. Shearon, PhD
Professor and Chair Department of Psychology
The College of Idaho
Caldwell, ID 83605
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

teaching: intro to neuropsychology; psychopharmacology; general; history and 
systems

"What we have done for ourselves alone dies with us; what we have done for 
others and the world remains and is immortal." - Albert Pike

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