At 8:55 AM -0500 5/3/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Hi, > >This person is (to some extent) an well-paid entertainer, as popular >with right wing folks as Al Franken (who can also be quite tiresome)
But not as ignorant or narrow minded. I have talked with him; he's much more centrist than I'd like (see his positions on health care) but he's capable of a nuanced discussion of the issues. >is with liberals. I wonder if money clouds people's judgment. It >would seem to me perfectly clear to most educated folk that if you >introduce supernatural explanations you are no longer doing science. > >ID should be taught in theology and philosophy class, where such >explanations don't violate the general precepts of the discipline. Assuming, of course, that it is in fact good theology or philosophy. See Francisco Ayala's discussion in a recent NYT <http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/29/science/29prof.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=Ayala&st=nyt&oref=slogin>. >No one is forbidding the teaching of ID and creationism - we are >simply banning it from SCIENCE. Much of the under-educated lay >public doesn't "get it" because they don't understand what science >is anyway. For Stein (and others) to fail to "get it" is much more >puzzling to me, and suggests other agendas at work in their thinking. >In a message dated 5/3/2008 5:16:30 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > >Well, let's not put science on a golden pedestal. Ben Stein was talking about >uncontrolled, amoral, unethical, and immoral scientists who pervert >their discipline in >order to advance their own agenda. Cephalic indexing, the T-4 >program, and various >medical experiments with which we are all familiar offered in the >name of science come to >mind. Like anything, science can be used, misused, and abused by >fallible people. To >paraphrase Thomas Edison, what the minds of man create, the hearts >must guide and control. >Of course, in that vein, what Stein said about science can also be >said about religion, >for over the ages more harm has been done to man by man in the name >of the Gods than in >the name of anything else. As Steven Weinberg (if I recall correctly) put it: Good people will always to good, and bad people will always do bad. It takes religion to make good people do bad things. -- The best argument against intelligent design is that people believe in it. * PAUL K. BRANDON [EMAIL PROTECTED] * * Psychology Department 507-389-6217 * * 23 Armstrong Hall Minnesota State University, Mankato * * http://krypton.mnsu.edu/~pkbrando/ * --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
