Nancy--
I agree with Marie. Make the assignments more challenging at Y. If the students
are better prepared academically and have more time to devote to their
education, how is it unfair to have higher standards for them?
And *definitely* make in-class behavior, preparation, and attitude a part of
the grading requirements at both schools. I always put in my syllabi that
students have to act as though they care. They don't actually have to care,
they just have to act as though they do. I would point out that acting like you
care is a key component to success in the workforce, so they can use my class
in which to practice. No one is going to succeed in life if they do the bare
minimum while rolling their eyes. When I put the logic of it in those terms,
they were surprisingly amenable to it.
Robin
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To clarify for Marie and others: My department head at Y wants a more
evenly distributed assortment of grades.
I am at risk of not being re-hired.
I appreciate the suggestions. Thanks.
Nancy
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Hi Nancy
Could you clarify one thing for me. What is the conflict exactly ¨ that
you don¨t have the same standards at two very different schools? It seems to
me that it would be nearly impossible (and in fact undesirable) to have the
same standards at schools where the students differ so much (incl. how much
time they have to devote to school work or just how bright they a re).
I would simply challenge the students more at school Y. You can certainly
keep the assignments the same but demand more of the students for each
assignment (papers need to have more references, be better written, exams
should be more difficult, etc.). You can also (if you find the immaturity a
problem at school Y) assign more points to appropriate classroom behaviors
(¨good citizen grade¨ is what I call it).
Marie
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Marie Helweg-Larsen, Ph.D.
Department Chair and Associate Professor of Psychology
Kaufman 168, Dickinson College
Carlisle, PA 17013
Office: (717) 245-1562, Fax: (717) 245-1971
http://alpha.dickinson.edu/departments/psych /helwegm
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Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:22 AM
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Subject: [tips] Grading discrepancy
Hi all,
Hope you are having good summer down time. I need some guidance. The names
have been changed to protect the somewhat innocent.
School X is my full time job, school Y is a steady part time gig.
School X is in a working class/poor neighborhood, school Y is in an affluent
area of LA. Students at school X are more likely to be working and students at
school Y are more likely to be fully supported by their families.
Cheating is more likely to occur at school Y although it is not unknown at
school X. I tend to monitor school Y students more closely because of this.
In my psychology 1 classes, I teach and grade the same way. I offer open-book
pop quizzes, exams with a limited number of notes allowed, one take home exam
and a required term paper.
My grade curve at school X is more evenly distributed than at school Y where
it is much higher. I am getting in trouble because of the high average in my
school Y classes and might lose this job (since school X doesn't always provide
summer work - 10 month contract - I kind of don't want that to happen). I've
taught at Y since 2000. I feel attached to it.
I have considered the possibility that I am being a "lenient part timer" at
school Y, but I really don't think so. If anything, when I sit down to grade
the work of those students I am more likely to be in a negative frame of mind
(the students at school Y are VERY immature and behave badly in class). The
fact is they generally do better on the MC/objective sections of my tests than
school X students.
I am discussing this with my department head. I have considered going to
closed book exams at school Y. She suggests using a curve.
It seems unfair to me to do things differently at school Y just because they
do better. They may be poorly behaved, but they are generally pretty bright.
I am just looking for thoughtful opinions and guidance. I really believe I am
being honest with myself and portraying this fairly. Thanks for your help.
Nancy Melucci
Long Beach CA
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