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John Malacos (2009), in his PsychTeacher post titled "Pre-Post Tests?" wrote:

"Like other Psychology departments, we are using the National Guidelines and Suggested Learning Outcomes for the Undergraduate Psychology Major. We are interested in knowing how to measure progress in these areas. Does anyone do a pre-post test to measure change in students from the freshmen year to graduation?"

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Annette Taylor (2009a) contributed three messages to the "Pre-Post Tests?" thread. In her first she wrote:

"I do strongly urge the use of gain scores rather then simple posttest-pretest formulas. You want to control for initial level of knowledge. You might want to google Richard Hake's work for a good example of using gain scores."

In her second post Annette Taylor (2009b) explained:

"I meant to say normalized gain scores are better than simple gain scores. A simple gain score is posttest-pretest and only tells you how much a person changed, but tells you nothing about how much they changed relative to their potential for change."

Still later Annette Taylor (2009c) wrote:

". . . . if you google the phrase 'normalized gain scores' you will find a wealth of materials that can express the relationship in change scores much better than I can, and which also discuss this difference in individual versus group scores."

A search of <http://www.google.com/> for "normalized gain scores" (with the quotes) yielded 172 hits as of 30 Jan 07:30:00-0800, many of them superficial. Rather than attempting to plow through 172 Google hits, I would recommend that psychologists consider scanning "Should We Measure Change? Yes!" [Hake (2008)] where the half-century old "normalized gain" is thoroughly discussed. The abstract reads:

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Formative pre/post testing is being successfully employed to improve the effectiveness of courses in undergraduate astronomy, biology, chemistry, economics, geoscience, engineering, . . . .[math]. . .and physics . . . [but not psychology :-(!!] . . . . . But such testing is still anathema to many members of the psychology-education-psychometric (PEP) community. I argue that this irrational bias impedes a much needed enhancement of student learning in higher education. I then review the development of diagnostic multiple-choice tests of higher-level learning; normalized gain and ceiling effects; the documented two-sigma superiority of interactive engagement (IE) to traditional passive-student pedagogy in the conceptually difficult subject of Newtonian mechanics; the probable neuronal basis for such superiority; education's lack of a community map; higher education's resistance to change and its related failure to improve the public schools; and, finally, why we should be concerned with student learning.
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Richard Hake, Emeritus Professor of Physics, Indiana University
24245 Hatteras Street, Woodland Hills, CA 91367
Honorary Member, Curmudgeon Lodge of Deventer, The Netherlands.
<[email protected]>
<http://www.physics.indiana.edu/~hake/>
<http://www.physics.indiana.edu/~sdi/>
<http://HakesEdStuff.blogspot.com/>

REFERENCES [Tiny URL's courtesy <http://tinyurl.com/create.php>.]
Hake, R.R. 2008. "Should We Measure Change? Yes!" online at
<http://www.physics.indiana.edu/~hake/MeasChangeS.pdf> (2.5 MB), or as ref. 43 at <http://www.physics.indiana.edu/~hake>. To appear as a chapter in "Evaluation of Teaching and Student Learning in Higher Education, " a Monograph of the American Evaluation Association <http://www.eval.org/>.

Malacos, J. 2009. "Pre-Post Tests?" PsychTeacher post of 15 Jan 2009 11:39:08 -0500; online at
<http://tinyurl.com/dl5v5p>.

Taylor, A. 2009a. Re: Pre-Post Tests? PsychTeacher post of 15 Jan 2009 09:44:41-0800; online at <http://tinyurl.com/cgn9kk>.

Taylor, A. 2009b. Re: Pre-Post Tests? PsychTeacher post of 15 Jan 2009 16:20:39 -0800; online at <http://tinyurl.com/d3ddqx>.

Taylor, A. 2009c. Re: Pre-Post Tests? PsychTeacher post of 16 Jan 2009 17:10:34 -0800; online at <http://tinyurl.com/cs723g>.







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