On Sat, 14 Mar 2009 05:52:11 -0700, Paul Okami wrote: >What utter nonsense. Even American Psychologist (finally) got >around to correcting the Genovese myths.
I apologize but the brevity of your message makes it ambiguous. What exactly is "utter nonsense"? Are you referring to the lyrics of the Phil Ochs song which was published in *1966* or two years after Kitty Genovese's death? Given the influence of the New York Times reporting at the time (see the webiste http://kewgardenshistory.com/ss-nytimes-3.html which I provided previously; see below), are you criticizing the song for being inaccurate and not embodying an interpretation that would not be available until later, like 2007 (the Manning, Levine, and Collins article in the American Psychologist)? Or is there some other "utter nonsense" that you are referring to? Perhaps its just me but I'm finding these overly brief responses to be cryptic and requiring the reader to "divine" the author's intent. -Mike Palij New York University [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:27:17 -0700, Paul Brandon wrote: "Outside of a small circle of friends" Phil Ochs The first lines in the above song are: |Look outside the window, there's a woman being grabbed |They've dragged her to the bushes and now she's being stabbed |Maybe we should call the cops and try to stop the pain |But Monopoly is so much fun, I'd hate to blow the game |And I'm sure it wouldn't interest anybody |Outside of a small circle of friends. But I have to admit to being unsure about the message that Paul is intending. He is saying that Kitty Genovese's death is no longer relevant to most people? Our petty interests trump the suffering and death of a person? For psychology, Kitty Genovese is of less importance than the work of Latane and Darley that was in response to her death? Or something else? I really don't understand. -Mike Palij New York University [email protected] On Mar 13, 2009, at 8:13 AM, Mike Palij wrote: Back on March 13, 1964, Kitty Genovese was attacked and killed. We now have a somewhat different view of the events surrounding her death, particularly the issue of "bystander apathy". For example, see: http://kewgardenshistory.com/ss-nytimes-3.html And others remember the event in their own way. For example, see: http://deathaday.blogspot.com/2008/03/march-13-kitty-genovese.html Of renewed relevance to younger folks, she plays a minor role in the "Watchmen" graphic novel: see: http://www.scifimoviepage.com/upcoming/previews/watchmen-2.html Make it "help a stranger" day. --- To make changes to your subscription contact: Bill Southerly ([email protected])
