"Gary Klatsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>I'm not sure that the portfolios are meant to be a means of comparing your
>class to another. I also don't believe that student evaluations provide
>information about the quality of your courses.  Unless you include a 
>measure
>of student outcomes, you can never tell how your course compares to another
>section of the same course.
>

I have two thoughts on this thread and Gary's message in particular. First, 
as Gary implies, we need to be careful to distinguish the 2 purposes for 
evaluation, improvement and tenure/promotion/merit/... The portfolio seems 
like it might be a reasonable source of information for improvement, but not 
necessarily a good (or valid) source of information for the more 
"evaluative" sorts of evaluation.

Second, since folks are discussing Nitop, I would like to point out that 
Robert Bjork gave an interesting talk in which he suggested that those 
teaching or training procdures that produce the best short-term effects are 
often not the same teaching or training procedures that produce the best 
long-term retention and transfer.  These suggestions make me wonder.  If we 
are going to include student outcome measures in our evaluations, when 
should we measure the outcomes?  At the end of the course? Or perhaps a 
month, or a year, later?

Jeff Nagelbush
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ferris State University
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