Given that this uncharacteristically disagreeable thread 
concerning whether Allen Esterson's posts are are too long 
(although this applies to many others) continues to rage, it's 
time I expressed an opinion.

Recent postings on TIPS are unfortunately beginning to remind 
me of that famous observation on Canada's national game, "I 
went to the fights last night, and a hockey game broke out". 
Except that we seem not to be having hockey games any more, 
only fights. 

For what it's worth, I'm with Beth Benoit and others on this 
matter. "Verbiage" refers to more than just the length of a 
contribution. It's also an insult, implying that the words are 
superflous or meaningless. I'm astounded that anyone would 
say this about Allen's carefully-crafted posts.They are models of 
scholarship, concise, informative, logical, and exceptionally well-
documented. Just what we need on TIPS. It's not for nothing 
that Allen is recognized as a noted critic of Freud, and now also 
as an effective defender of Einstein against those who would 
distort history.  

As Allen himself as has pointed out, some issues require more 
words to deal with than others, but this does not make them 
verbiage. This is a discussion list, not Twitter, for heaven's sake.  
And as it has also been pointed out, those who are uninterested 
or who cannot appreciate scholarship, or whose lips must move 
while they read, don't have to read such posts.  I say, bring 'em 
on. I learn a lot from them. To adapt a famous saying which a 
famous man never said, "An argument should be made as short 
as possible but no shorter".

(I know. Jim Clark got there before me, without the disclaimer. 
But as far as we know, Einstein never said it. ) 

Stephen

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Stephen L. Black, Ph.D.          
Professor of Psychology, Emeritus   
Bishop's University
Sherbrooke, Quebec, Canada               
e-mail:  sblack at ubishops.ca
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