Thought I would chip in since I have been teaching in PhD Clinical Psych programs and graduated from one. I have also taught at a clinical program within a medical school (Hahnemann) and those from traditional Arts & Sciences (Memphis, Drexel).

I am pessimistic that Scott's future world of BA's working in medical centers supervised by PsyDs and PhDs will ever work. Medicare does not reimburse anyone below the licensed doctoral level. The focus on empirically supported treatments is not something invented by cognitive-behavioral psychologists who conduct a lot of research. It is a process of review put in place by insurance companies to deny treatment. Psychology is such a minor cost that I am sure they could care less to even get documentation from us. The insurance companies will always up the anti and require higher and higher levels of empirical support that only obvious, life-saving medical interventions
will be compensated.

I find it very interesting how the empirically supported therapies arguments have factored into the theoretical differences in clinical psychology. Groups that have been at it for years, such as psychoanalytic and other dynamic therapies vs behavior therapies are fighting it out over who has empirical support. Since CBT and BT have always had more empirical study than the others, the advocates for CPT and BT have
held that these therapies are superior to therapies that are unstudied.

Clinical Psychology psychotherapy and psychotropic medication therapies will never have sufficient empirical support simply because the subjects are never blind to the treatment condition. All the investigators are doing is training the subjects to endorse change on the dependent measures. That's why the meta-analyses conclude that any therapy is effective. I have never seen an analysis that addressed this research problem. It's similar to the obesity researchers who never notice that their entire field is based on the dieting behavior of young women.

The best research in my specialty of neuropsychology is done in the clinic. There are even private practice neuropsychologists who conduct a lot of research. You can't sit up in an Ivory Tower and conduct clinical psychology research.

I'm sure that Scott has noticed that the number of available PhD slots is getting smaller. It reminds me of the history of the English and French in Quebec. The French just eventually overpopulated the English. If clinical psychology is just practitioners then we have failed. We had a chance of being unique with the Boulder or Vail models. My interpretation of the models was that we should train practitioners who conduct clinical research. Many of our PhD graduates actually do this. There are actually PsyD graduates who do this.

Working in a medical setting, I was often consulted by physicians because of my research training. Although physicians often master the most esoteric calculus, molecular biology and genetics in order to get into and through medical school, they are often surprised by this thing called the t test. We have this unique scientist practitioner training that is best implemented when a trained scientist is confronted with a real, clinical problem.

The last point I want to make is that the base of academic jobs is not high enough to employ all these Ivory Tower, academic-only graduates.

Mike Williams
Drexel University







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