On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 18:19:38 -0800,  Paul K Brandon
>As I recall from the day (and I won't cheat by looking it up on the record 
>cover) the song by that name was based on a real event at a real restaurant, 
>but not by that name.

Just goes to show how faulty memory can be.  Quoting from Wikipedia:

|Though the song's official title, as printed on the album, is "Alice's 
|Restaurant Massacree" (pronounced mass-a-cree, not massacre), 
|Guthrie states in the opening line of the song that "This song's called 
|'Alice's Restaurant'" and that "'Alice's Restaurant'... is just the name 
|of the song;" as such, the shortened title is the one most commonly
|used for the song today. In an interview for All Things Considered, 
|Guthrie said the song points out that any American citizen who was 
|convicted of a crime, no matter how minor (in his case, it was littering), 
|could avoid being conscripted to fight in the Vietnam War.[1] The 
|Alice in the song was restaurant-owner Alice M. Brock, who in 1964 
|used $2,000 supplied by her mother to purchase a deconsecrated 
|church in Great Barrington, Massachusetts, where Alice and her husband 
|Ray would live. It was here rather than at the restaurant—which 
|came later—where the song's Thanksgiving dinners were actually held.

And it was the garbage from a Thanksgiving dinner that Arlo & Co
illegally dumped in the town dump (blind justice and all that) that resulted
in him having a criminal record and which caused the Army recruiters
to reject him along with father rapers, etc.  

See the Wikipedia entry for information about the restaurant:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice%27s_Restaurant#The_restaurant

-Mike Palij
New York University
[email protected]


On Nov 28, 2011, at 3:55 PM, Michael Palij wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:28:45 -0800, Michael Sylvester wrote:
>> 
>> TRUE OR FALSE
>> 
>> Alice's restaurant is not a restaurant but the name of a song.
> 
> Well, it depends upon what your meaning of "is" is.
> 
> On the other hand, check out the Wikipedia entry (yadda-yadda):
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice%27s_Restaurant 
> 
> So, the answer is it's both.
> 
> Or neither.
> 
> Or, in a Zen sense, it is both and neither, depending upon your
> definition of "is".

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