On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 07:28:56 -0800, Paul K Brandon wrote: >I believe that's what I said: >'Alice's restaurant' is the name of the song. > >from >http://arlo.net/resources/lyrics/alices.shtml: > >Alice's Restaurant >By Arlo Guthrie [snip]
*sigh* And the title of the first song on the Album "Alice's Restaurant" is..... See: http://www.amazon.com/Alices-Restaurant-Arlo-Guthrie/dp/B000002KOA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1322582135&sr=8-2 See the back cover of the album and sample song list. Now, if you want to argue whether one should use the name of the song as listed on the album and elsewhere (i.e., "Alice's Restaurant Massacree") or one should use the name that is mentioned within the song (but this assumes that the "speaker" is not an unreliable source; given that there is no Alice's restaurant in existence at the time the song was written, this is a reasonable objection) or whether one should use what is in popular or common usage (which can lead to all sorts of problems because such sources promote errors; see Freud and Icebergs), all I have to say is you can just call me "Al". -Mike Palij New York University [email protected] P.S. One good reason to retain "Alice's Restaurant Massacre" is to maintain continuity with Arlo Guthrie's later album that is a re-recording of the songs on his first album, title of which is "Alice's Restaurant (The Massacree Revisited)". The title of the first song is "Alice's Restaurant Masacree (The Massacree Revisited)"; see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice%27s_Restaurant_%28The_Massacree_Revisited%29 Note the connection between ARM and the Nixon Watergate tapes. ;-) On Nov 28, 2011, at 10:01 PM, Mike Palij wrote: > On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 18:19:38 -0800, Paul K Brandon >> As I recall from the day (and I won't cheat by looking it up on the record >> cover) the song by that name was based on a real event at a real restaurant, >> but not by that name. > > Just goes to show how faulty memory can be. Quoting from Wikipedia: > > |Though the song's official title, as printed on the album, is "Alice's > |Restaurant Massacree" (pronounced mass-a-cree, not massacre), > |Guthrie states in the opening line of the song that "This song's called > |'Alice's Restaurant'" and that "'Alice's Restaurant'... is just the name > |of the song;" as such, the shortened title is the one most commonly > |used for the song today. In an interview for All Things Considered, > |Guthrie said the song points out that any American citizen who was > |convicted of a crime, no matter how minor (in his case, it was littering), > |could avoid being conscripted to fight in the Vietnam War.[1] The > |Alice in the song was restaurant-owner Alice M. Brock, who in 1964 > |used $2,000 supplied by her mother to purchase a deconsecrated > |church in Great Barrington, Massachusetts, where Alice and her husband > |Ray would live. It was here rather than at the restaurant—which > |came later—where the song's Thanksgiving dinners were actually held. > > And it was the garbage from a Thanksgiving dinner that Arlo & Co > illegally dumped in the town dump (blind justice and all that) that resulted > in him having a criminal record and which caused the Army recruiters > to reject him along with father rapers, etc. > > See the Wikipedia entry for information about the restaurant: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice%27s_Restaurant#The_restaurant > > -Mike Palij > New York University > [email protected] > > > On Nov 28, 2011, at 3:55 PM, Michael Palij wrote: >> On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:28:45 -0800, Michael Sylvester wrote: >>> >>> TRUE OR FALSE >>> >>> Alice's restaurant is not a restaurant but the name of a song. >> >> Well, it depends upon what your meaning of "is" is. >> >> On the other hand, check out the Wikipedia entry (yadda-yadda): >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice%27s_Restaurant >> >> So, the answer is it's both. >> >> Or neither. >> >> Or, in a Zen sense, it is both and neither, depending upon your >> definition of "is". --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: [email protected]. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=14490 or send a blank email to leave-14490-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
