On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 11:26:24 -0800, Christopher Green wrote:
Forget the popular press. Too many competing interests. Go with the historians
of psychology.
http://www.grignoux.be/dossiers/288/pdf/manning_et_alii.pdf
(American Psychologist, 2007)

Forget the historians of psychology, too many competing interests such as
the desire for tenure, promotion, popularity beyond the academy, and an
unreasonable confidence in their own explanations. ;-)   <- LOOK!
Consider instead the social psychologist who suffers from these interests
to only a minor degree. ;-) ;-) ;-) <- LOOK! The extra smilies are for
Zimbardo and Milgram.

But bear with me, please. Think back to discussions on Tips, specifically
this one:
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg00636.html
where the author provides links to Harold Takooshian's (one of Milgram's
grad students) review of Rosenthal's "Thirty-Eight Witnesses" and
Skoller's "Twisted Confessions" as well as taking to task "historians
of psychology" Manning, Levine, and Collins. The links to Takooshian's
review are still live and I reproduce them here:
http://psqtest.typepad.com/blogPostPDFs/200900817_psq_54-10_The1964KittyGenoveseTragedyStillAValuableParable.pdf
or
http://tinyurl.com/yb545m3

I wonder if Harold will review the new books mentioned in the news articles
I linked to below.

-Mike Palij
New York University
[email protected]


On 2014-02-16, at 11:17 AM, Mike Palij wrote:
Kitty Genovese was murdered on March 13, 1964, so, we are about
a month away from it's 50th anniversary.  However, in the past few
days a couple of stories in the popular media have been published,
apparently to promote new books on the Genovese case.  The
two books that serve as the source for two articles below focus
on the "myth" associated with the incident but they seem to have
different views on what exactly the myth is: were people even
more indifferent or did early helping responses get ignored?
I'll leave it to the interested reader to work through what role
psychologists played in all this.

Here are the articles. First, from DNAinfo New York:
http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20140213/kew-gardens/neighbors-indifference-kitty-genovese-murder-worse-than-believed-book
Second, from the NY Post:
http://nypost.com/2014/02/16/book-reveals-real-story-behind-the-kitty-genovese-murder/

And for comparison's sake, an article from the NY Daily News
from 2011:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/killing-kitty-genovese-47-years-holds-sway-new-yorkers-article-1.123912

If I am not mistaken, the three articles appear to have inconsistencies with each other and focus on different aspects of the incident. It seems that one will have to read the new books and previous one (e.g., Charles
Skoller's "Twisted Confessions") to see what the details actually
are.  One wonders if there will ever be a definitive account of what
happened.


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