> Seems to me it is Takooshian who miss the (historical) point, which is that > the details of the event are regularly reworked to suit the theory, so that > the event becomes a better "illustration." One sees a similar phenomenon even > in the textbook retellings of many experiments, such as Watson's Albert B. > experiment. > > Chris > ....... > Christopher D Green > Department of Psychology > York University > Toronto, ON M6C 1G4 > > [email protected] > http://www.yorku.ca/christo > >>> On Feb 16, 2014, at 4:42 PM, "Mike Palij" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> On Sun, 16 Feb 2014 11:26:24 -0800, Christopher Green wrote: >>> Forget the popular press. Too many competing interests. Go with the >>> historians >>> of psychology. >>> http://www.grignoux.be/dossiers/288/pdf/manning_et_alii.pdf >>> (American Psychologist, 2007) >> >> Forget the historians of psychology, too many competing interests such as >> the desire for tenure, promotion, popularity beyond the academy, and an >> unreasonable confidence in their own explanations. ;-) <- LOOK! >> Consider instead the social psychologist who suffers from these interests >> to only a minor degree. ;-) ;-) ;-) <- LOOK! The extra smilies are for >> Zimbardo and Milgram. >> >> But bear with me, please. Think back to discussions on Tips, specifically >> this one: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg00636.html >> where the author provides links to Harold Takooshian's (one of Milgram's >> grad students) review of Rosenthal's "Thirty-Eight Witnesses" and >> Skoller's "Twisted Confessions" as well as taking to task "historians >> of psychology" Manning, Levine, and Collins. The links to Takooshian's >> review are still live and I reproduce them here: >> http://psqtest.typepad.com/blogPostPDFs/200900817_psq_54-10_The1964KittyGenoveseTragedyStillAValuableParable.pdf >> or >> http://tinyurl.com/yb545m3 >> >> I wonder if Harold will review the new books mentioned in the news articles >> I linked to below. >> >> -Mike Palij >> New York University >> [email protected] >> >> >>> On 2014-02-16, at 11:17 AM, Mike Palij wrote: >>> Kitty Genovese was murdered on March 13, 1964, so, we are about >>> a month away from it's 50th anniversary. However, in the past few >>> days a couple of stories in the popular media have been published, >>> apparently to promote new books on the Genovese case. The >>> two books that serve as the source for two articles below focus >>> on the "myth" associated with the incident but they seem to have >>> different views on what exactly the myth is: were people even >>> more indifferent or did early helping responses get ignored? >>> I'll leave it to the interested reader to work through what role >>> psychologists played in all this. >>> >>> Here are the articles. First, from DNAinfo New York: >>> http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20140213/kew-gardens/neighbors-indifference-kitty-genovese-murder-worse-than-believed-book >>> Second, from the NY Post: >>> http://nypost.com/2014/02/16/book-reveals-real-story-behind-the-kitty-genovese-murder/ >>> >>> And for comparison's sake, an article from the NY Daily News >>> from 2011: >>> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/killing-kitty-genovese-47-years-holds-sway-new-yorkers-article-1.123912 >>> >>> If I am not mistaken, the three articles appear to have inconsistencies >>> with each other and focus on different aspects of the incident. It seems >>> that one will have to read the new books and previous one (e.g., Charles >>> Skoller's "Twisted Confessions") to see what the details actually >>> are. One wonders if there will ever be a definitive account of what >>> happened. >> >> >> --- >> You are currently subscribed to tips as: [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe click here: >> http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=430248.781165b5ef80a3cd2b14721caf62bd92&n=T&l=tips&o=34270 >> or send a blank email to >> leave-34270-430248.781165b5ef80a3cd2b14721caf62b...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
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