Then, Jim, you guys have an admitted faith, "some of us think...." as you say, that all is intelligible and discoverable, which has yet to be proven. And, Chris, I would agree with you about machines replacing people, if the collegiate professors had been intensely trained as future classroom teaching with the same intensity as they had been trained as future scholars in their discipline. Also, most professors are not familiar with the research, brain based as it is, on learning, much less introducing the findings of such research to alter their attitudes and methodology.
Make it a good day -Louis- Louis Schmier http://www.therandomthoughts.edublogs.org 203 E. Brookwood Pl http://www.therandomthoughts.com Valdosta, Ga 31602 (C) 229-630-0821 /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /^\\/ \/ \ /\/\__ / \ / \ / \/ \_ \/ / \/ /\/ / \ /\ \ //\/\/ /\ \__/__/_/\_\/ \_/__\ \ /\"If you want to climb mountains,\ /\ _ / \ don't practice on mole hills" - / \_ On May 6, 2015, at 2:26 PM, Paul Brandon wrote: > Newton is a good exemplar since he did believe that some sort of deity was > the ultimate cause of natural events, he avoided the temptation to take the > easy way out and attribute the immediate cause of all events to supernatural > acts: > "Hitherto I have not been able to discover the cause of those properties of > gravity from phenomena, and I frame no hypotheses, for whatever is not > deduced from the phenomena is to be called an hypothesis; and hypotheses, > whether metaphysical or physical, whether of occult qualities or mechanical, > have no place in experimental philosophy.” > > On May 6, 2015, at 12:21 PM, Jim Clark <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi >> >> Thanks to Chris for taking the time to write his thoughtful response. I find >> it laudable that some of us think there are natural and discoverable >> explanations for human behavior and experience, including the subjective >> elements on which Louis focuses. Undoubtedly at the time of Newton there >> were many (a large majority?) of people who thought all sorts of natural >> phenomena (apples falling to the ground?) were either inexplicable except by >> design of our creator or so obvious that they did not need explanation. >> Happily, Newton and his like were not satisfied with mysticism or ignorance. >> >> Take care >> Jim >> >> Jim Clark >> Professor & Chair of Psychology >> University of Winnipeg >> 204-786-9757 >> Room 4L41 (4th Floor Lockhart) >> www.uwinnipeg.ca/~clark >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Louis Eugene Schmier [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 11:55 AM >> To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) >> Subject: Re: [tips] Random Thought: Faith, Hope, Love, IV >> >> Chris, I rest my case. >> >> Make it a good day >> >> -Louis- >> >> >> Louis Schmier >> http://www.therandomthoughts.edublogs.org >> 203 E. Brookwood Pl http://www.therandomthoughts.com >> Valdosta, Ga 31602 >> (C) 229-630-0821 /\ /\ /\ /\ >> /\ >> /^\\/ \/ \ /\/\__ >> / \ / \ >> / \/ \_ \/ / \/ >> /\/ / \ /\ \ >> //\/\/ /\ \__/__/_/\_\/ >> \_/__\ \ >> /\"If you want to climb >> mountains,\ /\ >> _ / \ don't practice on mole >> hills" - / \_ >> >> On May 6, 2015, at 12:49 PM, Christopher Green wrote: >> >>> On May 6, 2015, at 7:57 AM, Louis Eugene Schmier <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> You know, sometimes I hate Isaac Newton, or, at least, his devotees who >>>> advocated that everything is a machine and is governed by intelligible, >>>> universal, and immutable laws. I say this because the scholarship of >>>> teaching and learning has turned the classroom in a Newtonian >>>> pedagogically and technologically mechanical system. >>> >>> I usually ignore Louis far-too-long and not-particularly-enlightening >>> ruminations on his life as a "real" teacher. But this particular claim >>> misses the mark by such an enormous distance that I feel I have to comment. >>> Whether some overly-excited science "boosters" like to speculate that >>> "everything" is governed by mechanical laws is not really the point. The >>> point is that there is far too great tendency among far too many people to >>> presume, on the contrary, that everything that is the slightest bit >>> complicated (which is pretty much everything) is somehow "mystical" or >>> "divine" or otherwise beyond human comprehension. The mechanist program >>> says only, "Let's see which of these phenomena we can explain in a >>> mechanist fashion. For any phenomenon we can model in that way, there is no >>> longer a need to regard it as being 'mystical.' For those things that we >>> cannot model mechanically at present, the question of how it works remains >>> open." Thus, the famous line from Laplace, when asked by Napoleon about the >>> absence of God in his model of the cosmos: "I have no need of that >>> hypothesis." >>> >>> Now, to be sure, there are lots of people saying lots of stupid things >>> about education these days, and offering (for sale, note) various >>> contraptions that purport to "solve" the "problem." The issue here, >>> however, has far more to do with P. T. Barnum than it does with Isaac >>> Newton (viz., "There's a sucker born every minute."). Or worse yet, the >>> politicians who over-ride the wisdom of actual educators to impose these >>> devices on the classroom (if even a classroom remains) are having their >>> campaigns financed by the very people who are hoping to make a buck by >>> replacing real teachers with their devices. That is the problem. Not Netwon >>> and not mechanism. >>> >>> In short, Louis, you have been badly diverted from the real issue, which is >>> exactly their intent. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Chris >>> ..... >>> Christopher D Green >>> Department of Psychology >>> York University >>> Toronto, ON M3J 1P3 >>> Canada >>> >>> [email protected] >>> http://www.yorku.ca/christo >>> ....................................... >>> >>> >>> --- >>> You are currently subscribed to tips as: [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe click here: >>> http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=931223.50b956e1f0f315eddcd01dfbd8b87 >>> bc1&n=T&l=tips&o=44565 or send a blank email to >>> leave-44565-931223.50b956e1f0f315eddcd01dfbd8b87bc1@fsulist.frostburg. >>> edu >> >> >> --- >> You are currently subscribed to tips as: [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe click here: >> http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13251.645f86b5cec4da0a56ffea7a891720c9&n=T&l=tips&o=44566 >> or send a blank email to >> leave-44566-13251.645f86b5cec4da0a56ffea7a89172...@fsulist.frostburg.edu >> >> --- >> You are currently subscribed to tips as: [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe click here: >> http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13438.3b5166ef147b143fedd04b1c4a64900b&n=T&l=tips&o=44569 >> or send a blank email to >> leave-44569-13438.3b5166ef147b143fedd04b1c4a649...@fsulist.frostburg.edu > > Paul Brandon > 10 Crown Hill Lane > Mankato, MN 56001 > [email protected] > > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to tips as: [email protected]. > To unsubscribe click here: > http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=931223.50b956e1f0f315eddcd01dfbd8b87bc1&n=T&l=tips&o=44571 > or send a blank email to > leave-44571-931223.50b956e1f0f315eddcd01dfbd8b87...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: [email protected]. 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